Wake up, Buzz. It wasn’t the type of training that was the issue.

dont think i said what type training, its WHERE the training was which bothers me. Why would you train in an area where civilian traffic flies? He77 yes these chopper pilots need training

One more time, Buzz... they should be training there because that's where that mission will occur. Training somewhere else will ensure that crew is wholly unprepared/untrained to negotiate the operational environment in which they will conduct that mission and could ultimately lead to a loss of continuity of government if that mission, and others like it, fail.

Here’s a hint, Buzz: diversity.

What do you mean? Yes, the pilot is a woman. Are you saying she only had that role, one of the least competitive pilot slots in the Army, a utility helicopter/non-combat role, because she's a woman? Or are you saying, assuming she is ultimately found responsible for the accident, that it happened because she's a woman... or in the name of "diversity?"

It’s pretty clear to me. Helicopter was at fault for a number of reasons. To me, blame should be on both pilot and copilot.
Last I heard was the male was the pilot, but was heard on ATC talking which is copilot role.

I also wonder about seat assignment. If this was a training route, the instructor should have known they were above altitude and immediately corrected it.

I’m sure this is a challenging route, low altitude at night. River was probably dark, city lights and night vision. It would have taken both to be dialed in.

Ignore him. He didn't serve. He does not know what he's talking about.

Being a woman pilot has nothing to do with screwing up. I was a Flight Engineer on a Boeing 727. When airplanes still had 3-man crews. Everyone was looking at the instruments and listening to ATC. If someone missed something others would not. The airliner was following the Glide Slope in. It is where it should be. The helicopter I am sure has a radio altimeter as well as GPS and Barometric pressure altimeter. With at least 2 in the helicopter cockpit monitoring the instruments this should not have happened unless they were playing grab [censored] at the time.

The NTSB in several months, maybe a year, will have the most reliable analysis of what likely happened as well as the sequence of events that led to the accident. Sometimes these things are set in motion even before a flight takes off.

Man, some of these responses are insane. Some of you really need to check your biases as there are some here who wouldn't be able to figure out anything if a woman was in the room...just because a woman was piloting the chopper does not mean it was the choppers fault. It is entirely possible this was a calamity of multiple issues that all came together at once...for example:

1. Chopper flying a little high
2. Airliner being diverted to a different runway just prior to landing
3. ATC was undermanned and the person in charge of the airliner and the chopper was work overloaded and didn't realize he was putting two aircraft on a collision course
4. the chopper crew were not scanning in the correct location or at the wrong altitude for traffic
5. the airliner crew were not scanning in the correct location or wrong altitude
6. the airliner was turning into the final descent and turned on top of the chopper
7. the chopper got hit from above by a cleared airliner turning and neither never saw the other coming


To blame this one one specific thing (female gender, trying to play grab azz...seriously?, DEI, diversity, whatever) is a load of hokey and anyone who has flown or been involved in an accident investigation knows it is rarely ever just one thing.

Being reported that the helo had turned off a significant navigation asset.

' helo had turned off a significant navigation asset' Evidently a NORMAL thing. I like Cruz response to Generals - take a bus or limo.

So you think women in the military are just as capable as men?

Depends on the job.

I some cases, yes! Did you serve in the military?

What's with all the women hate. I agree not all women should be in certain jobs. Military, police patrol are 2 but If you were getting on a Americal Airlines jet, and a woman was the pilot. Would you turn around and get off?

Someone must be qualified for the job. I think this is what we all agree on?

All I know is my wife can't drive. She scares me to death every time I ride with her. So if my wife was the pilot you can bet your butt I'd be turning around and walking off that plane

It was a VH-60 as in VIP transport. They practice continuity of government scenarios, like as in evacuating heads of government to secure and top secret locations. Hence the ADS-B was off.

Half those people being shuffled could probably just use Uber.

They don’t take them to dinner. Think 9/11 or something worse.

Evidently the Pentagon brass ride them often.