https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-mistakes-Washington-DC-plane-crash.html

And why is it taking so long to publicly identify the Army pilot after the other 2 crew members were id’d yesterday? Something smells fishy.

Maybe because it took longer to notify next of kin?

I looked for 10 minutes early this morning and could not find it on the msm.

Yep, that's the way it works.

2 have been identified on Fox.

"The helicopter was above 300 feet when it should have been below 200 feet, four people briefed on the matter reportedly told the Times."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...on-air-traffic-controllers-b2689997.html

What bothers me about this is I am seeing reports that there was another incident with a helicopter less than 24 hours prior to the crash. Was it the same pilot?? If so I say its very fishy since they havent released the pilots name.

so what is the fishy part? you guys suggesting the pilot was a plant and intentionally rammed into a jet?

With the death of 66 people staining the pilot's name I can certainly see why they'd be hesitant to release the identity. People are nuts now days, I can only imagine the death threats, or worse, the family might get after such a tragedy.

That's what I'm wondering

Believe it is just pending notification of kin. Briefing an hour ago indicated next of kin notified on only 18 of 27 bodies positively identified (41 bodies found thus far).

always somebody thinking there was a plot to do something bad. People love dirty laundry.

Yes sir, my thoughts and you said it well.

Just like Henley sang in early 80s, "Dirty Laundry"

Family of third soldier killed requesting Army not release name
The family of the third solider killed in Wednesday's deadly midair collision near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport is requesting their identity not be publicly released, the Army said Friday.

The Army has named the other soldiers killed in the collision. They were identified as Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Loyd Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Maryland, and Staff Sgt. Ryan Austin O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Georgia.

Eaves' remains have not been recovered. He served in the Navy from August 2007 to September 2017 before transitioning to a Black Hawk pilot for the Army in September 2017.

O’Hara began serving as Black Hawk helicopter mechanic in July 2014.

“The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others.
Even though many conspiracy theories seem to provide clarity or a supposed secret truth about confusing events, a need for closure or a sense of control were not the strongest motivators to endorse conspiracy theories. Instead, the researchers found some evidence that people were more likely to believe specific conspiracy theories when they were motivated by social relationships. For instance, participants who perceived social threats were more likely to believe in events-based conspiracy theories, such as the theory that the U.S. government planned the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, rather than an abstract theory that, in general, governments plan to harm their citizens to retain power.”

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/06/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories

That sounds like something written specifically to lull the masses into a false sense of security.

Only joking.

Looking forward to the NTSB report. These tragedies are very often a result of a combination of errors and poor judgment. Usually not just one thing.

Obviously that area has a massive amount of air traffic. Blackhawk had pretty clear rules and elevation restrictions, which were not followed. The Army is not helping by withholding the name of the only female on board, leading to unnecessary speculation. When most report are she was not in control of the aircraft.

Judge Janine Piro asked her teammates on The Five what they think of the pilots family asking that she not be identified. They didn’t want any part of that question.
The NTSB just briefed that they will not be releasing the planes manifest even after the final report is made. Interesting.

cause will be from several circumstances, all having a part in the accident. It's human nature to look for someone to blame, disappointed when it's a circumstance.

I’d be curious if they typically do or do not release the manifest? I don’t believe they do.

Update: a brief search has shown that the NTSB typically does not release the passenger manifest.

If that’s standard practice, why even mention it and emphasizing it so strongly? IDK

I believe that the name they're not releasing is the Crew Chief. He certainly wouldn't have had any influence or impact on the situation. If his family doesn't want his name released, I would say that's their right.

Nope, CC was a named and pictured male SSGT. Pilot is a female.

I was referring to airline passenger manifest.

Was if the military or NTSB releasing the names on the helicopter?

We had a saying at work “If you’re going to drive them, you’re going to wreck them.” Unfortunately there’s not a graceful way to crash a helicopter. This was about the worst possible outcome too.

Wasn’t the NTSB, first news reports and then military released 2 of the 3.

They released the Crew Chief and Warrant Officer names w/ pics. The Pilot is a female and her name is not being released at the request of the family.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-ne...rning%20-%20WEEKDAYS%202025%202025-01-31



“Officials, though not the NTSB, were expected to release a flight manifest Friday with a list of those on board the American Airlines jet carrying 60 passengers and four crew members when it collided with a military helicopter carrying three soldiers at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.“

It’s not the NTSB’s job to release a manifest. They are accident investigators.


Just boarded a flight.

hope not to Philly

Phoenix to San Antonio. Just arrived.

Sad to see a young life cut short.

So?

Veteran pilot gives a good breakdown:

So what did he say?

One important point he raised is the need to 'set' the barometric pressure accurately (preferably corrected pressure supplied by the control tower).

IF you were off by 1/10th hg this could result in a significant change in the altimeter reading (as much as 100 ft depending on temperature and other factors).

The jet was banking left to line up on the short runway when the chopper hit them. I doubt the jet ever saw it coming.

1/10 is about 200 feet. I can tell you that in controlled areas like the FRZ, class Bravo, or class Charlie airports, the announced (ATIS/ ASOS/ AWOS) is only off by 1/100 hg to 3/100 hg between airports. 1/100 hg is about 20 feet.

Every airplane in those areas are required to have at least one certified altimeter. The Blackhawk and the RJ probably had 2 each. My GA airplane has 2.

ATC announces the altimeter setting when they talk to a new pilot, or verifies that the pilot has the weather (altimeter) at the destination airport. It is the procedure.

It was pilot error.

which pilot?

^^^^^^

Agree, most likely.

I can imagine there is more to keep track of in a Blackhawk than the average GA airplane (which is enough).





My Wife always thinks "We are going to die"!



But I don't think the ATC should have consented to Visual Separation in this case, seeing what they did on screen. Or it may not have made any difference....given how quickly the two aircraft collided....IDK.

A shame....what ever the cause(s).

CRJ was cleared to land so he had priority. That jet was #1 in the pattern

I think if you had to "blame" anyone, it would have to be the chopper pilot.

It's fairly busy up there, and not as much visibility out front as a lot of folks think. When I've flown, there have normally been two "crew chiefs" where each of them are the pilot's and co-pilot's eyes from the side. All four work as a well-oiled machine and the crew gives the pilot the all-clear to whichever side the pilot needs to go before that stick ever moves.

In crowded airspace such as DCA, I wonder how the crew chief was helping the pilots identify airborne hazards...

Such a tragedy in all respects. Many prayers to the families of all who lost their lives that night.

The chopper was a basic training flight, had no business in the pattern, they should train in other places. 450 hours for the pilot, not very good but my military standards its normal.

Not sure what a "basic training flight" is, but do you not want the military to "train like it fights?" It was a training flight of a mission that, in real-world scenarios, would only occur in DC. Personally, I would want that crew training in DC.

I want them training like they fight, and I want them fighting without women involved.

We are in agreement, then.

and how did that work out for the AA jet?

Wake up, Buzz. It wasn’t the type of training that was the issue.

dont think i said what type training, its WHERE the training was which bothers me. Why would you train in an area where civilian traffic flies? He77 yes these chopper pilots need training

One more time, Buzz... they should be training there because that's where that mission will occur. Training somewhere else will ensure that crew is wholly unprepared/untrained to negotiate the operational environment in which they will conduct that mission and could ultimately lead to a loss of continuity of government if that mission, and others like it, fail.

Here’s a hint, Buzz: diversity.

What do you mean? Yes, the pilot is a woman. Are you saying she only had that role, one of the least competitive pilot slots in the Army, a utility helicopter/non-combat role, because she's a woman? Or are you saying, assuming she is ultimately found responsible for the accident, that it happened because she's a woman... or in the name of "diversity?"

It’s pretty clear to me. Helicopter was at fault for a number of reasons. To me, blame should be on both pilot and copilot.
Last I heard was the male was the pilot, but was heard on ATC talking which is copilot role.

I also wonder about seat assignment. If this was a training route, the instructor should have known they were above altitude and immediately corrected it.

I’m sure this is a challenging route, low altitude at night. River was probably dark, city lights and night vision. It would have taken both to be dialed in.

Ignore him. He didn't serve. He does not know what he's talking about.

Being a woman pilot has nothing to do with screwing up. I was a Flight Engineer on a Boeing 727. When airplanes still had 3-man crews. Everyone was looking at the instruments and listening to ATC. If someone missed something others would not. The airliner was following the Glide Slope in. It is where it should be. The helicopter I am sure has a radio altimeter as well as GPS and Barometric pressure altimeter. With at least 2 in the helicopter cockpit monitoring the instruments this should not have happened unless they were playing grab [censored] at the time.

The NTSB in several months, maybe a year, will have the most reliable analysis of what likely happened as well as the sequence of events that led to the accident. Sometimes these things are set in motion even before a flight takes off.

Man, some of these responses are insane. Some of you really need to check your biases as there are some here who wouldn't be able to figure out anything if a woman was in the room...just because a woman was piloting the chopper does not mean it was the choppers fault. It is entirely possible this was a calamity of multiple issues that all came together at once...for example:

1. Chopper flying a little high
2. Airliner being diverted to a different runway just prior to landing
3. ATC was undermanned and the person in charge of the airliner and the chopper was work overloaded and didn't realize he was putting two aircraft on a collision course
4. the chopper crew were not scanning in the correct location or at the wrong altitude for traffic
5. the airliner crew were not scanning in the correct location or wrong altitude
6. the airliner was turning into the final descent and turned on top of the chopper
7. the chopper got hit from above by a cleared airliner turning and neither never saw the other coming


To blame this one one specific thing (female gender, trying to play grab azz...seriously?, DEI, diversity, whatever) is a load of hokey and anyone who has flown or been involved in an accident investigation knows it is rarely ever just one thing.

Being reported that the helo had turned off a significant navigation asset.

' helo had turned off a significant navigation asset' Evidently a NORMAL thing. I like Cruz response to Generals - take a bus or limo.

So you think women in the military are just as capable as men?

Depends on the job.

I some cases, yes! Did you serve in the military?

What's with all the women hate. I agree not all women should be in certain jobs. Military, police patrol are 2 but If you were getting on a Americal Airlines jet, and a woman was the pilot. Would you turn around and get off?

Someone must be qualified for the job. I think this is what we all agree on?

All I know is my wife can't drive. She scares me to death every time I ride with her. So if my wife was the pilot you can bet your butt I'd be turning around and walking off that plane

It was a VH-60 as in VIP transport. They practice continuity of government scenarios, like as in evacuating heads of government to secure and top secret locations. Hence the ADS-B was off.

Half those people being shuffled could probably just use Uber.

They don’t take them to dinner. Think 9/11 or something worse.

Evidently the Pentagon brass ride them often.

How do they get to dinner?

DC and NY are full of car services.

It is not worth it...

I commented and got dog piled on social media day one for questioning the copter in commercial airspace, there is absolutely No Reason for a Copter or any other aircraft crossing or occupying the glide path of a commercial aircraft, NONE.

It happens all the time at airports all over. DFW has one

I understand it happens, I have observed it, but you will never convince me it is justified, safe, or reasonable.

As long as they are under the ceiling it is not a problem. Kry said it best you train were your mission is. I get the questioning it, but every single major airport in the US has these corridors

I stand by my statement, and I believe a majority of Americans would not fly if they knew this fact, I have serious questions about aviation safety and I have restricted by air travel to absolute emergency only. I made this decision long ago after witnessing some of the results of air travel, work one disaster, you have questions, work several you get educated.

That is fine. I do not fly but this has been happening since the cold war. It is just now a problem?

Until it is a problem...

Well when a blackhawk flys into the bottom of a CRJ it does create a pretty big problem no [censored]. Does that mean we should shut It all down and national security be damned?

I tell you; I get really tired of the national security excuse; did it help on September 11th? How about Pearl Harbor? All these excuses are nonsense, by the time they respond the damage is done, and the risk to safe air travel is ridiculous.

That is when I tell you that your wrong and why you are wrong is that you are in your feelings from when you where younger. Your old and this is new Day. 9-11 was jets turned to bombs. Pearl harbor is when japan found out we found the Sun. Read history

Please explain that to the families of more than 60 victims, pretty hefty price for being stylish.

?...I don't understand gibberish...

I fixed it but you still have no point lol

dont tell sneaky or youll get dogpiled again

Go back to kissing democrat [censored] buzz. Men are talking...

So, helicopters and who knows what flying into the flight path of commercial airliners is okay...what if your family was on board? Buzzsaw, Sneaky can pound sand.

Yes, If they are below the ceiling there is no factor. They do not even talk to controllers in class C airspace. Controllers know they are under. Controllers talk to incoming traffeic

Is that what happened in DC? I'm not sure how a helicopter strikes a commercial aircraft if they are under the ceiling...oh, wait...they weren't under the ceiling and 60 something people died...oh, well...national security and all...

No, they broke the ceiling and hit the [censored] jet. I do not know how to explain this better to you.

Yes, thanks for proving my point, it is ridiculous they were anywhere near the commercial aircraft...this isn't rocket science, stay the He** out of commercial air space.

Yes, loss of life it a travesty and people were hurt. Say what happened not what they told you to say.

Cleaned up for now. Let's stay on topic and stop the insults, please. Thanks much.

Why would they turn off their ADS-B for a check ride flight? My very limited understanding of ADS-B is that it will show the pilot all local traffic of other ADS-B equiped aircraft in the area. I believe in this case, it would have alerted the airliner of the presence of the VH-60 on a collision path as well as alert the VH-60 pilots of the airliner. I understand the need to turn this off in the VH-60 while on real missions but see no logical reason to turn it off for training or check rides. For the pilots out there, am I thinking about this correctly?

No Bee'z, people were not hurt, they were KILLED.

you lost this one beez

We can chat about this in a never ending loop. The NTSB report will shed light on any errors or practices.

I am sure the NTSB comes here for insight.

Some of you all Need to move to europe for your guaranteed govt provided safety.

Have fun! See ya!

You’ve worked several air disasters? In Concho county? In Texas? How many air disasters have there been in the US during your professional life that you could’ve witnessed the results of?

Genuinely curious. I thought you were a police detective.

Even with recent events, I’ll wager air travel is safer than being in an auto on the road.

I didn't work Concho County, I worked DFW Metroplex, how many can you count that occurred there, 191, 1141, etc...who do you think responds to air disasters if not police/fire? I was also a firefighter at one time in my career, Crash/Fire/Rescue as a matter of fact...I'm not speaking from inexperience; I have seen a thing or two in 44 plus years of service.

The government cannot 100% ensure your safety from auto accidents, air disasters or even the medical profession.

The FAA is the regulatory agency for aviation and their number one objective is safety. They create all the rules, regulations and training standards for aviation in the USA. The military has additional standards and regulations for their pilots (usually higher) but they also generally have to conform to FAA rules over CONUS.

The NTSB investigates transportation accidents, especially aviation ones, and publishes detailed reports on their findings. They aren't a regulating body. Sometimes their reports result in changes in aircraft, regulations, practices, training etc.

We have this combination of pilots, regulations, technology. Usually the regulations aren't creating accidents, Sometimes it's a failure in technology including the aircraft or components. Often it's the human factor which results in accidents whether that be the pilot, maintenance personnel, and/or air traffic control (less common).

When you have the human factory involved, all we can do as a society is strive to reduce the number of accidents.

Turkey, exactly. There are people that act like any accident is 100% avoidable, but when you add the human component, that avoidable part drops quickly.

For those who feel this “should have been avoided”…then leave and go to europe where the govt doctates life a lot more.

For those that want some autonomy and freedom, we need to realize that comes with some risk. Yeah life is risky. No one can guarantee anything 100% of the time no matter what regulations are put into place.

Smh

LOL, that is some funny Chit right there...and pure nonsense to boot.

But our government can use the safest methods / regulations / training available, for the good of all.

Police are highly trained professionals and there are regulations and laws governing their job. Do they make mistakes or have accidents?

Sure, but most of their mistakes don't lead to deaths of 60 something people...look I'm not blaming the military personnel, or the commercial pilot, or even the air traffic controllers, I'm saying the regulations allowing any aircraft in the glide path of a landing or departing commercial jet is simply wrong and not justifiable...I think that is the reason the government has No Fly Zones for Drones, even small ones.

Concho you’re looking at it wrong. There are regulations about pilots maintaining visual separation and being at the correct altitude and position. There are also regulations about air traffic control. They aren’t supposed to put aircraft on a collision course. These regulations are for aircraft inside and outside a landing path.

But we don’t have an NTSB report yet that details where things started to go wrong that set the outcome into motion.