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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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I believe that the name they're not releasing is the Crew Chief. He certainly wouldn't have had any influence or impact on the situation. If his family doesn't want his name released, I would say that's their right. Nope, CC was a named and pictured male SSGT. Pilot is a female. I was referring to airline passenger manifest. Was if the military or NTSB releasing the names on the helicopter?
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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01/31/25 11:44 PM
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“The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others. Even though many conspiracy theories seem to provide clarity or a supposed secret truth about confusing events, a need for closure or a sense of control were not the strongest motivators to endorse conspiracy theories. Instead, the researchers found some evidence that people were more likely to believe specific conspiracy theories when they were motivated by social relationships. For instance, participants who perceived social threats were more likely to believe in events-based conspiracy theories, such as the theory that the U.S. government planned the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, rather than an abstract theory that, in general, governments plan to harm their citizens to retain power.” https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/06/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theoriesThat sounds like something written specifically to lull the masses into a false sense of security. Only joking. Looking forward to the NTSB report. These tragedies are very often a result of a combination of errors and poor judgment. Usually not just one thing. We had a saying at work “If you’re going to drive them, you’re going to wreck them.” Unfortunately there’s not a graceful way to crash a helicopter. This was about the worst possible outcome too.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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01/31/25 11:44 PM
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I believe that the name they're not releasing is the Crew Chief. He certainly wouldn't have had any influence or impact on the situation. If his family doesn't want his name released, I would say that's their right. Nope, CC was a named and pictured male SSGT. Pilot is a female. I was referring to airline passenger manifest. Was if the military or NTSB releasing the names on the helicopter? Wasn’t the NTSB, first news reports and then military released 2 of the 3.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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01/31/25 11:56 PM
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They released the Crew Chief and Warrant Officer names w/ pics. The Pilot is a female and her name is not being released at the request of the family.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-ne...rning%20-%20WEEKDAYS%202025%202025-01-31“Officials, though not the NTSB, were expected to release a flight manifest Friday with a list of those on board the American Airlines jet carrying 60 passengers and four crew members when it collided with a military helicopter carrying three soldiers at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.“ It’s not the NTSB’s job to release a manifest. They are accident investigators. Just boarded a flight.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/01/25 02:32 AM
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/01/25 02:35 AM
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/01/25 11:38 PM
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/02/25 04:03 PM
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Veteran pilot gives a good breakdown:
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/02/25 04:08 PM
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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One important point he raised is the need to 'set' the barometric pressure accurately (preferably corrected pressure supplied by the control tower). IF you were off by 1/10th hg this could result in a significant change in the altimeter reading (as much as 100 ft depending on temperature and other factors).
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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The jet was banking left to line up on the short runway when the chopper hit them. I doubt the jet ever saw it coming.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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One important point he raised is the need to 'set' the barometric pressure accurately (preferably corrected pressure supplied by the control tower). IF you were off by 1/10th hg this could result in a significant change in the altimeter reading (as much as 100 ft depending on temperature and other factors). 1/10 is about 200 feet. I can tell you that in controlled areas like the FRZ, class Bravo, or class Charlie airports, the announced (ATIS/ ASOS/ AWOS) is only off by 1/100 hg to 3/100 hg between airports. 1/100 hg is about 20 feet. Every airplane in those areas are required to have at least one certified altimeter. The Blackhawk and the RJ probably had 2 each. My GA airplane has 2. ATC announces the altimeter setting when they talk to a new pilot, or verifies that the pilot has the weather (altimeter) at the destination airport. It is the procedure. It was pilot error.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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One important point he raised is the need to 'set' the barometric pressure accurately (preferably corrected pressure supplied by the control tower). IF you were off by 1/10th hg this could result in a significant change in the altimeter reading (as much as 100 ft depending on temperature and other factors). 1/10 is about 200 feet. I can tell you that in controlled areas like the FRZ, class Bravo, or class Charlie airports, the announced (ATIS/ ASOS/ AWOS) is only off by 1/100 hg to 3/100 hg between airports. 1/100 hg is about 20 feet. Every airplane in those areas are required to have at least one certified altimeter. The Blackhawk and the RJ probably had 2 each. My GA airplane has 2. ATC announces the altimeter setting when they talk to a new pilot, or verifies that the pilot has the weather (altimeter) at the destination airport. It is the procedure. It was pilot error. which pilot?
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/04/25 03:49 AM
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One important point he raised is the need to 'set' the barometric pressure accurately (preferably corrected pressure supplied by the control tower). IF you were off by 1/10th hg this could result in a significant change in the altimeter reading (as much as 100 ft depending on temperature and other factors). 1/10 is about 200 feet. I can tell you that in controlled areas like the FRZ, class Bravo, or class Charlie airports, the announced (ATIS/ ASOS/ AWOS) is only off by 1/100 hg to 3/100 hg between airports. 1/100 hg is about 20 feet. Every airplane in those areas are required to have at least one certified altimeter. The Blackhawk and the RJ probably had 2 each. My GA airplane has 2. ATC announces the altimeter setting when they talk to a new pilot, or verifies that the pilot has the weather (altimeter) at the destination airport. It is the procedure. It was pilot error. ^^^^^^Agree, most likely. I can imagine there is more to keep track of in a Blackhawk than the average GA airplane (which is enough). ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2025/02/full-56101-444324-trip9.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2025/02/full-56101-444325-trip14.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2025/02/full-56101-444326-trip8.jpg) My Wife always thinks "We are going to die"! ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2025/02/full-56101-444327-trip1.jpg) But I don't think the ATC should have consented to Visual Separation in this case, seeing what they did on screen. Or it may not have made any difference....given how quickly the two aircraft collided....IDK. A shame....what ever the cause(s).
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/04/25 04:02 AM
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One important point he raised is the need to 'set' the barometric pressure accurately (preferably corrected pressure supplied by the control tower). IF you were off by 1/10th hg this could result in a significant change in the altimeter reading (as much as 100 ft depending on temperature and other factors). 1/10 is about 200 feet. I can tell you that in controlled areas like the FRZ, class Bravo, or class Charlie airports, the announced (ATIS/ ASOS/ AWOS) is only off by 1/100 hg to 3/100 hg between airports. 1/100 hg is about 20 feet. Every airplane in those areas are required to have at least one certified altimeter. The Blackhawk and the RJ probably had 2 each. My GA airplane has 2. ATC announces the altimeter setting when they talk to a new pilot, or verifies that the pilot has the weather (altimeter) at the destination airport. It is the procedure. It was pilot error. which pilot? CRJ was cleared to land so he had priority. That jet was #1 in the pattern
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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02/04/25 04:59 AM
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I think if you had to "blame" anyone, it would have to be the chopper pilot.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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I can imagine there is more to keep track of in a Blackhawk than the average GA airplane (which is enough).
But I don't think the ATC should have consented to Visual Separation in this case, seeing what they did on screen. Or it may not have made any difference....given how quickly the two aircraft collided....IDK.
A shame....what ever the cause(s). It's fairly busy up there, and not as much visibility out front as a lot of folks think. When I've flown, there have normally been two "crew chiefs" where each of them are the pilot's and co-pilot's eyes from the side. All four work as a well-oiled machine and the crew gives the pilot the all-clear to whichever side the pilot needs to go before that stick ever moves. In crowded airspace such as DCA, I wonder how the crew chief was helping the pilots identify airborne hazards... Such a tragedy in all respects. Many prayers to the families of all who lost their lives that night. ![[Linked Image]](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52768822727_a5e3481f04_c.jpg)
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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The chopper was a basic training flight, had no business in the pattern, they should train in other places. 450 hours for the pilot, not very good but my military standards its normal.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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The chopper was a basic training flight, had no business in the pattern, they should train in other places. 450 hours for the pilot, not very good but my military standards its normal. Not sure what a "basic training flight" is, but do you not want the military to "train like it fights?" It was a training flight of a mission that, in real-world scenarios, would only occur in DC. Personally, I would want that crew training in DC.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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I want them training like they fight, and I want them fighting without women involved.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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I want them training like they fight, and I want them fighting without women involved. We are in agreement, then.
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Re: Blackhawk was 100’ high and 1/2 mile off course
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The chopper was a basic training flight, had no business in the pattern, they should train in other places. 450 hours for the pilot, not very good but my military standards its normal. Not sure what a "basic training flight" is, but do you not want the military to "train like it fights?" It was a training flight of a mission that, in real-world scenarios, would only occur in DC. Personally, I would want that crew training in DC. and how did that work out for the AA jet?
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