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Re: Hornady One Shot Lube [Re: wp75169] #9174233 01/21/25 08:52 PM
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I prefer digital calipers for measuring shoulder bump and would also recommend folks to get a caliper jaw base to provide a stable platform for the case head to rest on. I also like to use Redding "S" Full Length sizing dies with neck bushings. The Redding "S" dies originated with a fella from San Antonio by the name of Speedy Gonzales, he shoots over at Dietz Range in the BR matches. The "S" dies are hard to beat, match up the neck bushing for how much neck tension you want and bump the shoulder about .002. I use Imperial sizing wax or Royal Case Lube, I think big cases like my 338 Lapua does better with the Imperial though. I always take out the neck expander on the sizing dies for my shooting match rifles and use a separate die for that, it is made by 21st Century and the expander floats to align itself up with the case.


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The very same *just right* shoulder bump can be performed using a Redding Body die. Another way to a acomplish that is to use a .308 FL sizing die to bump the shoulder of a 7mm-08 case, for example. Many ways to skin that cat.

The Lee collet dies are hard to beat when it comes to straight necks. The case body just needs to be given the proper attention.

It is perfectly possible to screw up and load ammo which will not chamber no matter what equipment you choose. Gotta be at least as smart as your die set.


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Re: Hornady One Shot Lube [Re: wp75169] #9174283 01/21/25 10:29 PM
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What the heck is that caliper/gauge apparatus? I've never seen that before, even when I was full length sizing. Too bad neck sizers can't use something like that. Looks cool though.

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Originally Posted by RiverRider
The very same *just right* shoulder bump can be performed using a Redding Body die. Another way to a acomplish that is to use a .308 FL sizing die to bump the shoulder of a 7mm-08 case, for example. Many ways to skin that cat.

The Lee collet dies are hard to beat when it comes to straight necks. The case body just needs to be given the proper attention.

It is perfectly possible to screw up and load ammo which will not chamber no matter what equipment you choose. Gotta be at least as smart as your die set.



Amen to the LCD/Redding Body die (series B for the 6.5 PRC) setup, and good call on the .308 to neck size 7-08, and it does work like a champ. Question: Just found out after 15 years that neck sizing/body dies suck for accurate ammo, but am wondering if .002-.003 runout is any good or not? This is all assuming I can ever get any of my neck sized brass to chamber. Haven't fired a round in 14 years because of it.

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Gee, I dunno. Maybe one of the guys who has one of those round thingies with numbers on it can tell us.

I don't know about this runout business. Isn't that when you put a bullet in a case thingie and put it on your table and it rolls off onto the floor?


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Re: Hornady One Shot Lube [Re: wp75169] #9174326 01/21/25 11:37 PM
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Body die = another step...I've spent money out my nose making my process faster and more efficient...body die is not something I'd never be interested in. They make full length sizers that do both neck and body at the same time. Why would you want to run a piece of brass through a press anymore times than 1? You retired guys got all the time in the world but us working stiffs don't have any tolerance for that extra steps BS wink

S dies are great if used as intended, meaning you test neck tension to determine what tension that barrel/charge likes...and was designed to use on brass which is neck turned and with no expander. They can be used with the expander but they really promote donuts because they do not size the entire neck but instead about 3/4 of them. Speedy is a short range benchrest guy and it excels in that world...but those guys don't get a bunch of rounds on their brass, they are normally pushing boundaries and trash primer pockets in pretty short order. I would bet you less than 20% of the guys use a neck bushing sizing die (both neck and full length) for it's intended purpose, most guys just spend the additional money cuz it must be better. Sort of like the SAC dies.

.003 runout and I would be looking for a problem....002 is my limit on run out and yes I check until I am convinced it's within that...both concentricity and OAL. I don't need the training wheels that are on the caliper above...but it's not a bad idea, I just haven't bought one.

I say all of that to say...this is one of those areas where there is more than one way to skin this cat and no "right" way in my opinion...the target tells you the right way. I'm not talking about hitting steel at distance, I'm talking about shooting little groups. After all that is the measurement of accuracy and has been for years...short range br is and has been the accuracy gold yardstick. Lee collet die and a body die can do that...but it ain't for me, that is all I'm saying.

EDIT - As to less wiener measuring and to the OP's original topic. I use One Shot or Imperial and regardless, I wipe the outside of every single case. My washrag normally looks like hell because it's just the way it is haha.

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Re: Hornady One Shot Lube [Re: wp75169] #9174352 01/22/25 12:22 AM
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Good post, Judd.

As far as dealing with cleaning a case for a particular step goes, I use a coin bag or whatever I have on hand---a large cotton sock will do, or even an old pillow case. I just put all the brass in it and give it a light dousing of 92% alcohol and knead it until I think the brass has had most of what offends me wiped off. I'll do this often before applying lube to a bunch of cases. I do the same to wipe off any sizing lube as well. When the bag you're using gets grimy, just wash it by hand in the kitchen sink and let it hang dry.

I like Imperial sizing wax and will use it when I have only a handful of brass to process, but I often use Hornady Unique in the tub when I have a lot of brass to process. I'll go ahead and apply some to the palms of my hands---it's gonna get everywhere anyway!---and pick up my brass six or eight or ten pieces at a time and roll them in my palms, then toss 'em in a small plastic tub. I lube all of them and then go wash my hands to avoid getting the stuff all over the press and other places I'd rather it not end up. It's fairly quick and very effective and the stuff is good for your hands anyway.

I have used aerosol lube products as well and they're fine as long as you adhere to the instructions. I just don't like all the overspray that ends up on loading blocks and other places.


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Tool is kinda outside version of Wilson case gauge. Actually measure the H.S. With proper insert, measures/sets bullet jump to bore also.

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Originally Posted by duffas
Tool is kinda outside version of Wilson case gauge. Actually measure the H.S. With proper insert, measures/sets bullet jump to bore also.


The tool we are talking about is on the other end of the caliper...it gives it a wider flatter surface to measure against.

Thanks, I try RR and many times fail wink


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RiverRider your method sure seems efficient, but I always try to keep my brass from touching. I don’t doubt I’m probably too anal about it though. Dinged necks freak me out. I automatically lube and resize the neck but still put them in the fowler pile because they have then been sized twice without annealing. I get to thinking my neck tension has to be all wrong at that point.

Judd mentioning the SAC dies reminds me that while I’m getting excellent consistency from mine, I’m not 100% sold on them. I still think it takes way too much pressure to size with it even though I’m doing minimal work to the brass. That problem could be compounded by the 419 press geometry. I don’t know.

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