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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: DStroud]
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01/04/25 06:06 AM
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BOBO the Clown
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Nobody said they can't. The fact is in many cases they DON'T. Tell me all those many Leupold scopes I've had---like the ones that would move POI three inches when I gave it five clicks---were tracking properly. Tell me I did not see what I saw. I have three Leupold's that work and track as they're supposed to. My longest shot with my VX-6 3-18X44mm was 1087 yards. My POI was 15" low. At that distance I'll take it! I guess my question is, you said, "Tell me all those many Leupold scopes I've had---like the ones that would move POI three inches when I gave it five clicks---were tracking properly. Tell me I did not see what I saw". Why did you continue to purchase Leupold scopes if they weren't working for you? Sounds silly to me to keep purchasing them when they all failed. You had to have liked something about them. They have millions of customers who are completely satisfied with there scopes. They've got to be doing something right! And there are a ton of customers that have absolutely had them fail at the wrong time. I had one fail last year, 10 miles in to the wilderness on last day of a hunt. I will only buy scopes that have been independently drop tested and passed. Like I said about vortex most people won’t use a scope hard enough to find the failure point, but there is a segment that hunts outside just a Texas lease every year…. When leupold produces video of impact tests like Night force they will have my attention until then same boat as majority of vortex line, use with caution I did an independent drop test on my Trijicon Ten Mile Hx mounted on my day time 22 Creedmoor last week…..it failed. Dropped it from about 18 inches on a hardwood floor and it was off 4 inches left and 2 inches low. Re- Zeroed it and next day killed 11 coyotes. Checked it today for tomorrows hunt all is still good 👍 Ha, no worse feeling and it suxs when that happens. Was it rings or scope? Right before this years sheep hunt I was practicing shooting out to 700, and to get over 600 I had to get more elevation so decided to climb on top of my mule pro roof. Long story short after shooting, I fell off and dropped a NF NXS8 7’ from roof of a mule directly one to a rocky tank dam as I fell. I about [censored] my pants, I crawled off the ground looked at my rifle cried and then checked zero and it was dead on. scope cap was scratched pretty good though. The Leupold that quit me on my last bear hunt never fell but was in saddle scabbard for a bunch of miles. Leupold sent me a new one. It’s my daughter’s gun so I replaced it with 2.5-10 NF.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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01/04/25 07:05 AM
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Someone needs to up their inch pounds.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: RiverRider]
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01/04/25 01:35 PM
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J.G.
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Brought up inches again...
1 MOA at 1087 yards is 11.38", at the target.
A miss by "15" low" is a miss by 1.32 MOA
That is a big miss. And it is unacceptable poor tracking.
When the Heat Stoke Open ran for years, just outside Camargo, OK. There were many stages beyond 800 yards. One was called "One MOA". It started at 800 yards, and stopped at 1200 yards. A 1.32 MOA miss mow would have generated other shooters as well as fellow competitors making mention to the guy missing that low. It's a big miss.
If I missed with an SS 5-20X, a Bushnell 3.5-21X ERS, or a NF ATACR 5-25X, it was a left to right miss, which is the wrong wind hold, which is not the fault of the scope. It was my fault. If I have the faintest understanding of angular measurement, that is five clicks of SUCK. You are correct. Come up 5, reshoot. If it's still a 1/4 low, come up again.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: freerange]
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01/04/25 03:42 PM
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I've been in and out from chasing sandhills muleys and haven't read the whole thread. Can someone tell me which side is winning this argument? You if you post up a 30” with 10” back forks I’ve been in Lanai at the pool all day Friend killed one other day like that from Panhandle scored 190. I was after this one.......never saw him again..... My son got this nice buck though.......Tikka CTR 260/130 AB's
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: Jgraider]
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01/04/25 04:08 PM
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Mickey Moose
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Yeah, but does it have a Vortex scope?
My botnet is bigger than yours.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: Mickey Moose]
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01/04/25 04:12 PM
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Jgraider
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Yeah, but does it have a Vortex scope? Here it comes........it's yet another scope that the internet will tell you sucks......a 3-15x Tract Toric. It's been bombproof for 7 years.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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01/04/25 04:35 PM
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Two beautiful deer Jgr!
The thing I hate about the “independent” drop test is it’s a sample of 1. Bottom line is if you drop a scope, you better check it…I don’t care who makes it.
I dropped an old vx2 off a shooting bench on concrete, scratched the hell out of it. Shot it and it was off…rezeroed and shot it a full year with no ill effects.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: Jgraider]
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01/04/25 04:48 PM
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Here it comes........it's yet another scope that the internet will tell you sucks......a 3-15x Tract Toric. It's been bombproof for 7 years. I have a Tract Toric UHD 4.5-30x56 ELR. Almost unused because the rifle it's on is having problems. I think I'll like the scope despite it being the wrong one for the rifle and shooting distance. The scope is way too much and too big. Other than that it checked all my boxes.
My botnet is bigger than yours.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: Jgraider]
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01/04/25 05:30 PM
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I've been in and out from chasing sandhills muleys and haven't read the whole thread. Can someone tell me which side is winning this argument? You if you post up a 30” with 10” back forks I’ve been in Lanai at the pool all day Friend killed one other day like that from Panhandle scored 190. I was after this one.......never saw him again..... My son got this nice buck though.......Tikka CTR 260/130 AB's That a boy!! Suxs that’s 190 plus frame, I’m jealous, I was supposed to be in NM chasing tail end of rut with bow, but wife snuck a family trip in…. Unfortunately it’s her entire family
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: Judd]
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01/04/25 05:33 PM
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The thing I hate about the “independent” drop test is it’s a sample of 1. Bottom line is if you drop a scope, you better check it…I don’t care who makes it.
I dropped an old vx2 off a shooting bench on concrete, scratched the hell out of it. Shot it and it was off…rezeroed and shot it a full year with no ill effects.
Think a lot of rings fail/slip and scope gets blamed. They have been drop testing each shipment of the Maven, I think I’ve seen 4 or 5 now. But it would be insanity not to check zero on a bad drop, and there is a drop point that all scopes will fail.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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01/04/25 06:03 PM
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Over the years, I’ve only had two significant ‘drop’ tests. The first one had the rifle strapped to me. The ladder stand broke and I fell backwards for a couple of feet and landed on my Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14 and my beloved Sako 270, landing on rocks. That hurt. Scope was fine. The other time was when I was off to coyote hunt. I had to open a gate, so I left my 220 and Leupold 6.5-20 leaning on the seat. The Kubota vibration caused the rifle to slip and fall. Made quite a clatter. The scope zero was knocked off pretty bad. Yes, the gun was not loaded.
Most of my scopes are Leupold, with a Burris or two, a Vortex PST-1, and a couple of Athlons. I’m not a turret twister. Don’t need it for what I do. But, if I was gonna spend big bucks and hunt hard in hard places, I’d probably upgrade to something indestructible. Maybe even with turrets.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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01/04/25 07:32 PM
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freerange
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Jgr, great bucks. Especially the live one. Wow.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: 603Country]
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01/04/25 08:50 PM
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Over the years, I’ve only had two significant ‘drop’ tests. The first one had the rifle strapped to me. The ladder stand broke and I fell backwards for a couple of feet and landed on my Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14 and my beloved Sako 270, landing on rocks. That hurt. Scope was fine. The other time was when I was off to coyote hunt. I had to open a gate, so I left my 220 and Leupold 6.5-20 leaning on the seat. The Kubota vibration caused the rifle to slip and fall. Made quite a clatter. The scope zero was knocked off pretty bad. Yes, the gun was not loaded.
Most of my scopes are Leupold, with a Burris or two, a Vortex PST-1, and a couple of Athlons. I’m not a turret twister. Don’t need it for what I do. But, if I was gonna spend big bucks and hunt hard in hard places, I’d probably upgrade to something indestructible. Maybe even with turrets. 603 this is a good point, on my blind hunting gun- which I use 95% of the time I also use a Leupold. I never have to use anything but zoom. 100 yard shot almost always. For this application I still like Leupold.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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01/07/25 04:12 AM
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I had a Razor Gen 3 6-36 out at my place (buddy's scope) recently. It was one of the clearest scopes I've ever seen, and I've seen nearly all of the really high end stuff. I have no idea how build quality stacks up against the big dogs. I'm confident brands like Nightforce have less issues than most others. On the filp side, I've heard of more than a few issues with Kahles, S&B, Minox, etc., and compared to the number of Vortex scopes out there, you don't hear of many issues in the Japanese or American made Razor scopes (Chinese made Razor spotters is a different discussion). I'm not sure what's eventually going to replace my Japanese-made Delta STryker, but I'd consider the Vortex Razor for sure.
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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit?
[Re: patriot07]
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01/08/25 12:23 AM
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The Vortex Gen 3’s are bad az$. If they ever make one not a 10x or 36x I might be in
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