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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 07:13 PM
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Bunch of SO / SF experts in here now. Amazing! We're just touching the tip of the iceburg...do you have any health or legal issues? There isn't anything this place cannot solve, we have experts in everything...if you don't believe me just ask away ![rofl rofl](/forum/images/graemlins/default/rofl2.gif) I wouldn't have a guess on this guy's planning or expertise, I personally feel anyone who does this is suffering mental illness, either natural or induced due to being radicalized, I've investigated a bunch of suicides and none of them ever made sense to me. Having lost close friends to suicide, I can tell you that most of the time it's something they never disclosed to anyone. The counselor I saw in the past told me that they survey survivors of these attempts while in therapy and that, on average, the window of time from when they decided to do something like this to when they actually carried out the act was only 5 minutes or so. There is very little that can be done to save someone once they have fully committed to doing something like this. If you have never been close to doing it yourself, you have an even harder time trying to understand and process it, which is probably a good thing, honestly.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 07:13 PM
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 07:23 PM
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Bunch of SO / SF experts in here now. Amazing! We're just touching the tip of the iceburg...do you have any health or legal issues? There isn't anything this place cannot solve, we have experts in everything...if you don't believe me just ask away ![rofl rofl](/forum/images/graemlins/default/rofl2.gif) I wouldn't have a guess on this guy's planning or expertise, I personally feel anyone who does this is suffering mental illness, either natural or induced due to being radicalized, I've investigated a bunch of suicides and none of them ever made sense to me. Don't confuse suicide with Istishhad.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 07:29 PM
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Bunch of SO / SF experts in here now. Amazing! We're just touching the tip of the iceburg...do you have any health or legal issues? There isn't anything this place cannot solve, we have experts in everything...if you don't believe me just ask away ![rofl rofl](/forum/images/graemlins/default/rofl2.gif) You're good Judd...I can appreciate your sarcasm! Hope your new year has started off well!
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 09:03 PM
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So why are these ex army guys self radicalizing to be terrorists? I would have thought they would be the last people to be involved in something like this.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 09:16 PM
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 09:34 PM
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Apparently, he and his wife were staunch anti-trumpers and bernie supporters. I suspect this vegas attack was politically motivated and not religiously motivated. Politics lately does weird things to people. I guess its always done weird things to people tho...
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 09:39 PM
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Reports say he and the NO muzzy we’re stationed together at some point., Yep, Same rental company, stationed at same base, same time frame of incidents I just don't see the white guy being a ISIS supporter which is the curve ball. It’s not a rental company. It’s an app that allows private people to ‘rent’ your vehicle to someone else, like AirBNB with vacation houses. It would be similar to saying they used Uber to drop them off at the scene. They didn’t rent a cat from Hertz or anything. I never try to make sense of mentally ill or radicalized individuals, my time can be better wasted elsewhere. The Sheriff and Fire Chief said the explosion was less than would have been expected due to the design of the vehicle, fiber design or something. I know nothing about Tesla vehicles, so would have to defer to the experts. As was mentioned above, the Cybertruck is made of steel, so it helped contain/direct the blast. The windows are also able to wishtand more extreme forces than a normal car window (not that it would withstand an explosion, but might’ve helped a little more, especially if the blast was directed vertically).
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 09:44 PM
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And now reports are saying the guy died from a self inflicted gunshot before the explosion took place. Pistol at his feet in the car. So whether he did that just prior to the explosion or the car self-drove after the gunshot was done off premises, hard to know.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 09:55 PM
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And now reports are saying the guy died from a self inflicted gunshot before the explosion took place. Pistol at his feet in the car. So whether he did that just prior to the explosion or the car self-drove after the gunshot was done off premises, hard to know. I hope he wasn’t forced by leverage. Lots of unanswered questions that we will never get answers too
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 09:56 PM
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 10:09 PM
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Suicide/domestic terrorist… I just hope the military doesn’t pay out on his life insurance.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 10:20 PM
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Looks like a dead loser that thought offn'g himself with limited explosive materials in front of an uncrowded hotel was better than living; personally I choose living over killing myself...As the sheriff and FBI said today, much more amateurish than they would have expected given his military training. Guess, everyone that could have been hurt was fortunate for that.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 10:28 PM
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Tin foil hat on....
What if he was a patsy? Ie - just a warm body in the seat.
Another actor suicides him then the truck drives to Trump's hotel.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 10:49 PM
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Reports say he and the NO muzzy we’re stationed together at some point., Yep, Same rental company, stationed at same base, same time frame of incidents I just don't see the white guy being a ISIS supporter which is the curve ball. It’s not a rental company. It’s an app that allows private people to ‘rent’ your vehicle to someone else, like AirBNB with vacation houses. It would be similar to saying they used Uber to drop them off at the scene. They didn’t rent a cat from Hertz or anything. I never try to make sense of mentally ill or radicalized individuals, my time can be better wasted elsewhere. The Sheriff and Fire Chief said the explosion was less than would have been expected due to the design of the vehicle, fiber design or something. I know nothing about Tesla vehicles, so would have to defer to the experts. As was mentioned above, the Cybertruck is made of steel, so it helped contain/direct the blast. The windows are also able to wishtand more extreme forces than a normal car window (not that it would withstand an explosion, but might’ve helped a little more, especially if the blast was directed vertically). Good to know, closest I've ever been to a Telsa is one plugged into a charging station couple of spaces down from where my truck was parked at a hotel.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 11:18 PM
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And now reports are saying the guy died from a self inflicted gunshot before the explosion took place. Pistol at his feet in the car. So whether he did that just prior to the explosion or the car self-drove after the gunshot was done off premises, hard to know. Probably will end up going away without any real answers like the Mandalay Bay shooter.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/02/25 11:20 PM
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Reports say he and the NO muzzy we’re stationed together at some point., Yep, Same rental company, stationed at same base, same time frame of incidents I just don't see the white guy being a ISIS supporter which is the curve ball. It’s not a rental company. It’s an app that allows private people to ‘rent’ your vehicle to someone else, like AirBNB with vacation houses. It would be similar to saying they used Uber to drop them off at the scene. They didn’t rent a cat from Hertz or anything. I never try to make sense of mentally ill or radicalized individuals, my time can be better wasted elsewhere. The Sheriff and Fire Chief said the explosion was less than would have been expected due to the design of the vehicle, fiber design or something. I know nothing about Tesla vehicles, so would have to defer to the experts. As was mentioned above, the Cybertruck is made of steel, so it helped contain/direct the blast. The windows are also able to wishtand more extreme forces than a normal car window (not that it would withstand an explosion, but might’ve helped a little more, especially if the blast was directed vertically). Good to know, closest I've ever been to a Telsa is one plugged into a charging station couple of spaces down from where my truck was parked at a hotel. I’ve gotten a ride in one (years ago) and it was pretty cool but I’ll never own one. That was in a sedan. The cyber truck is ugly as hell and useless. I’ll never own one of those.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/03/25 02:53 AM
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Apparently, he and his wife were staunch anti-trumpers and bernie supporters. I suspect this vegas attack was politically motivated and not religiously motivated. Politics lately does weird things to people. I guess its always done weird things to people tho... It’s the social media, and the recreational outrage
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/03/25 03:11 AM
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Suicide/domestic terrorist… I just hope the military doesn’t pay out on his life insurance. Exactly.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/03/25 05:20 AM
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He was responding as a operations director of a company, sending a recently military separated person to the contractor.
This again shows this Matthew guy was likely nothing more than a desk jockey during his military time. Um, he has two medals awarded for valor (BSM w/V, and ARCOM w/V). While I'm not sure of all his motivations, we can safely say one was suicide... and that he has terrible taste in weapons.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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Um, he has two medals awarded for valor (BSM w/V, and ARCOM w/V).
While I'm not sure of all his motivations, we can safely say one was suicide... and that he has terrible taste in weapons.
I feel bad that I chuckled at that, lol.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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That image looks like he is on the heavy side (double chin anyone?) for Special Forces compared to what i have in my mind for someone who is actually "fit and active." Maybe not relevant but just looks like a standard middle age out of shape "Joe." Hell i am 60 and don't have that much of double chin.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/03/25 11:31 AM
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His wife left him the day after Christmas.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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01/03/25 12:49 PM
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That image looks like he is on the heavy side (double chin anyone?) for Special Forces compared to what i have in my mind for someone who is actually "fit and active." Maybe not relevant but just looks like a standard middle age out of shape "Joe." Hell i am 60 and don't have that much of double chin. Couple points for consideration... 1.) I believe that's some kind of ID card pic (not his current CAC, in which he looks much thinner), or maybe ISOPREP, which are notorious for being garbage pictures taken with garbage cameras, normally by an E4 or a GS-7. Heck, I look like I weigh 300 lbs in my most recent TX DL pic. I weigh 180. 2.) He's an Master Sergeant/E8, with apparently 19 years of service. It's a good bet his body isn't in the same shape it was 19 years ago. By that time in service a lot of guys have seriously broken bodies and drink a lot to cope with the constant pain.
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger Military Record: Cybertruck Suspect Was Green Beret
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His wife left him the day after Christmas. I would imagine she had some damn good reasons. F that guy
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