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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: BigPig] #9160372 12/29/24 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPig
I have a teacher client that going to be retiring this year and selling her paid off house because she can’t afford the taxes and insurance on a teachers retirement. It’s heartbreaking. She bought this house 20 years ago for $100k. Paid it off thinking it would be her forever home. Her T&I is $1500 a month now. She’s too young to lock in the taxes. Her plan now is to take the proceeds and buy a small motorhome and live/work at national parks. She’s never paid into SS, so doesn’t get that either.


At least the economy has given her options. What BP is describing is seen 1st hand here over and over. I hate it. Good people who have done good things, made good choices and now suffering mightily from the effects of Bidenomics. Inflationary pressures initiated by government spending have horrific consequences.

Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: Hudbone] #9160408 12/29/24 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hudbone
TLK, don’t be sensible. People who live outside their means and choose to borrow money are forced to purchase it. I do find it interesting dealing with numerous high worth individuals who don’t borrow from anyone and who understand its value. When you have no debt, it’s a lot easier to afford, if it is so desired. Tougher situation when it’s not the only alligator in the swamp


There are a whole lot of wealthy people that say don't use your own money when you can use someone else's.

A friend of mine has a tractor loan at 1 or 2% interest. He's got the money to write a check for the tractor. Instead, that money is in a CD earning 5%. Now, it doesn't make much sense for him to wrote a check for that tractor. He's not living beyond his means, he understands simple math.

A mortgage is not a foolish loan. Mine started as a construction loan, that turned into a mortgage. The house I BUILT is probably worth triple what I borrowed to build it. And the county is slowly catching onto that.


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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160426 12/29/24 03:36 PM
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No one said anything about foolishness. Mortgages are just an evil necessity as people attempt to improve themselves.

Insurance companies try to extract a 2% profit over their overhead and claims paid out. It seldom happens. Going through a period of extreme weather, inflationary pressures and customer "pressures" does not make insurance companies evil. It is often quite the necessity in this day's world. It is a grease which helps to smooth the effects of friction within a transaction based economy.

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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160430 12/29/24 03:42 PM
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That is the case for my family currently. We pay about $100 more per month on home insurance and property taxes than what my mortgage payment is. That was not the case when we bought our current home in 2020, but at least my interest rate is 3.1%. Insurance has been my biggest price increase and has risen 3 fold in my area in 4.5 years.

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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160441 12/29/24 03:55 PM
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I'll take debt-free over owing someone money all day, every day. The borrower is slave to the lender......

Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160442 12/29/24 03:55 PM
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Rate hikes have been particularly harsh up in North TX. I bet you guys up there get to pay double or more than usins down here in south central TX.

Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160454 12/29/24 04:14 PM
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450,000 house and our T&I is just shy of 20K per year. We're currently paying about $300 more a month for T&I than our mortgage and that difference keeps going up every year. It used to be about equal, but my HO insurance has gone from roughly 7700 to 12700 in the past 5 years. Property taxes have remained fairly consistent, but the insurance has gone through the roof. Add in the fun that our HO insurance company changes every couple of years because the current company either goes bankrupt, or leaves the state and stops writing policies.


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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160486 12/29/24 05:30 PM
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Don't expect mortgage interest rates to go down anytime soon. I read an article this week that indicated interest rates will stay around 6.5% for 2025.


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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: The Dude Abides] #9160560 12/29/24 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Don't expect mortgage interest rates to go down anytime soon. I read an article this week that indicated interest rates will stay around 6.5% for 2025.

The expert guests on Fox Business have been saying the same for a couple of months now.


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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: Jgraider] #9160664 12/29/24 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgraider
I'll take debt-free over owing someone money all day, every day. The borrower is slave to the lender......


It depends IMO - there are times when having a loan can save/make you a lot of money. Case in point:

I could pay our house mortgage off tomorrow morning. However, back a few years ago when rates were super low I was able to lock in a 2.6% rate for 30 years. Meanwhile I am earning 5-6% on my fixed rate investments - PLUS I get to write off my loan interest on my tax return - tell me how that is a bad deal???


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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160672 12/29/24 11:02 PM
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I've heard the old "Don't use your own money when you can use someone else's" uttered like a mantra...always by some grifter, looking for somebody else, anybody else to keep him from having to carry his own weight. 'Was related to one.

I've seen more than one house of cards set up by some fool. When the plane is on a payment plan...

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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: tlk] #9160688 12/29/24 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tlk
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I'll take debt-free over owing someone money all day, every day. The borrower is slave to the lender......


It depends IMO - there are times when having a loan can save/make you a lot of money. Case in point:

I could pay our house mortgage off tomorrow morning. However, back a few years ago when rates were super low I was able to lock in a 2.6% rate for 30 years. Meanwhile I am earning 5-6% on my fixed rate investments - PLUS I get to write off my loan interest on my tax return - tell me how that is a bad deal???


Sometimes it’s not about the money. Peace of mind knowing it’s really mine is priceless to me.

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Taxes, (now insurance) and death! Only facts of life.


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Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: SnakeWrangler] #9160708 12/30/24 12:16 AM
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We live in a time where you can get sued for almost anything. If nothing is changed then I think this is a correct scenario: If you have a 250k mortgage and 250k in the bank they can get the bank account. If that 250k is in the homestead they cannot.

Re: Insurance and Taxes Now Cost More Than Mortgages for Many Homeowners [Re: tlk] #9160718 12/30/24 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tlk
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I'll take debt-free over owing someone money all day, every day. The borrower is slave to the lender......


It depends IMO - there are times when having a loan can save/make you a lot of money. Case in point:

I could pay our house mortgage off tomorrow morning. However, back a few years ago when rates were super low I was able to lock in a 2.6% rate for 30 years. Meanwhile I am earning 5-6% on my fixed rate investments - PLUS I get to write off my loan interest on my tax return - tell me how that is a bad deal???


I've heard that argument my entire adult life, and to each his own. All I know is if/when things got to absolute crap, being debt free is a great place to be.

Let's say your mortgage costs you $15k per year, and the interest part is $6k (wild guess). I'd rather pocket the $15k per year and invest it elsewhere than gain a net $2k tax break.

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I'll take debt-free over owing someone money all day, every day. The borrower is slave to the lender......


It depends IMO - there are times when having a loan can save/make you a lot of money. Case in point:

I could pay our house mortgage off tomorrow morning. However, back a few years ago when rates were super low I was able to lock in a 2.6% rate for 30 years. Meanwhile I am earning 5-6% on my fixed rate investments - PLUS I get to write off my loan interest on my tax return - tell me how that is a bad deal???


I've heard that argument my entire adult life, and to each his own. All I know is if/when things got to absolute crap, being debt free is a great place to be.

Let's say your mortgage costs you $15k per year, and the interest part is $6k (wild guess). I'd rather pocket the $15k per year and invest it elsewhere than gain a net $2k tax break.


Agreed.

Being debt free gives a person a sense of freedom

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Something's gotta give in the insurance industry, but I don't think it's going to be pretty. Florida is the bell weather. It's getting real ugly.



I am not defending the insurance companies but they have been hammered the last few years with floods, tornadoes, hurricanes etc. and especially in several states like Texas - look what just happened this week around Houston. Think about it - if you owned your own business and there was a loss leader affecting your profits then a good business will adapt and adjust - when a company that totally pulls out of some states all together there is a reason -

You are correct it is not pretty but it is what it is -


Insurance companies can look in the dictionary between chit and syphilis and find my sympathy.
Insurance is a license to steal money.
You pay them in case things happen. Whe things do not happen you do not get your money back.
We someone else males a claim, and Insurance has to pay, they recover their money from someone else that did not make a claim, by raising their premium.

License to steal money I said. And so are property taxes.
Bingo - The time State Farm took 86 days to settle my moms only claim in 43 years (She was carjacked and perp drove into a brick house in police chase) I said no more. IMHO State Farm acted just as shameful as the &&&& that stuck the gun to her head!


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I'll take debt-free over owing someone money all day, every day. The borrower is slave to the lender......


It depends IMO - there are times when having a loan can save/make you a lot of money. Case in point:

I could pay our house mortgage off tomorrow morning. However, back a few years ago when rates were super low I was able to lock in a 2.6% rate for 30 years. Meanwhile I am earning 5-6% on my fixed rate investments - PLUS I get to write off my loan interest on my tax return - tell me how that is a bad deal???


I've heard that argument my entire adult life, and to each his own. All I know is if/when things got to absolute crap, being debt free is a great place to be.

Let's say your mortgage costs you $15k per year, and the interest part is $6k (wild guess). I'd rather pocket the $15k per year and invest it elsewhere than gain a net $2k tax break.


Agreed.

Being debt free gives a person a sense of freedom
And that sense of freedom is invaluable!


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Guys - to be honest you are NEVER debt free - you owe money (which is debt) for your utility bills, your property taxes, your medical bills, your medical insurance, your home and car insurance and on and on - even if you do not own a house but rent you are obligated to pay (debt) to pay rent, utilities, etc. - do not fool yourselves into thinking that you are totally debt free -

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Originally Posted by tlk
Guys - to be honest you are NEVER debt free - you owe money (which is debt) for your utility bills, your property taxes, your medical bills, your medical insurance, your home and car insurance and on and on - even if you do not own a house but rent you are obligated to pay (debt) to pay rent, utilities, etc. - do not fool yourselves into thinking that you are totally debt free -


Yeah, but that wasn't the context of the OP either. Debt free means no recurring/revolving debts, no lienholders, etc not normal living expenses. Anybody with half a clue knows that.

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Originally Posted by tlk
Guys - to be honest you are NEVER debt free - you owe money (which is debt) for your utility bills, your property taxes, your medical bills, your medical insurance, your home and car insurance and on and on - even if you do not own a house but rent you are obligated to pay (debt) to pay rent, utilities, etc. - do not fool yourselves into thinking that you are totally debt free -

Spot on!


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Originally Posted by tlk
Guys - to be honest you are NEVER debt free - you owe money (which is debt) for your utility bills, your property taxes, your medical bills, your medical insurance, your home and car insurance and on and on - even if you do not own a house but rent you are obligated to pay (debt) to pay rent, utilities, etc. - do not fool yourselves into thinking that you are totally debt free -


There is no escape!. The taxing authorities have a perpetual lien on your home and it is a first priority lien. It comes before every other lien and is there forever.

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People gritch about 1st world problems all too often.

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You can thaink you are debt free, but you never will be until the day you die. Doesn’t matter if you owe a bank, a mortgage company, Or anything else. You will for the rest of your life owe someone - if you’re renting or owning a home or you are in a nursing home You will owe money to someone for the rest of your life, unless you were smart and saved enough to cover all of those things out-of-pocket. Period


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Originally Posted by tlk
You can thaink you are debt free, but you never will be until the day you die. Doesn’t matter if you owe a bank, a mortgage company, Or anything else. You will for the rest of your life owe someone - if you’re renting or owning a home or you are in a nursing home You will owe money to someone for the rest of your life, unless you were smart and saved enough to cover all of those things out-of-pocket. Period


You finally got something right. That's why it's mandatory to live on much less than you earn your entire working life.

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