The products are not the same.

"The way we are treated out west"

Where did the bad man touch you?

There are only a few states that limit licenses to 10% of non-residents and even then only very limited hunt codes. My state is still quite generous to Non-residents, for now...

Just curious where the idea that non-residents are applying and getting all of the licenses on draw hunts is coming from? Is there some data out there? I have never met anyone who applies to hunts in Texas that is not from there or that lives there.

A few? Regardless they all have NR caps, Texas has zero caps on NR

That is an individual assessment/purgative , as we still have lots of NR applying for Texas hunts.

Again it’s real simple, for NR to apply in Texas it cost $3-$10 and get a PP if not drawn. . Hunting opportunity is just an opportunity not a promise of success. NR should have to buy a Texas Hunting License at the very least to apply.

DBHS in NM is +-100 hunting license to apply plus 3100 for tag front
DBHS in CO is initial $300 in PP and 100 for license to apply, and 100 of additional PP and $2,686.04 if drawn

TX DBHS $10 to apply with as good or better odds🤣

The whole Texas public suxs is a straw man argument and if it did then I’m sure we will go broke if NR stop paying $3 to apply

I can pull the data on the other 10 plus states I apply in also

Why don’t they just start selling licenses full of tags to an unlimited number of the people with no earthly idea of who hunts where or what is harvested like how we do it here? That actually sounds absolutely crazy when you type it out and think about it

Would be easier to manage on their end as well

They do in CO called list B tags, but this is about draw hunts in Tx that are limited entry, just like limited entry units in CO.

Your license in CO isn’t a tag. It’s a Non refundable hunting license used to boost revenue and P&R funding(it’s not a deer, turkey, javi, elk, nilgi, DBHS, etc tag ) , Same with OKla, NM, UT, NV, AZ,UT, MT, WA, OR, etc. This is the premise of the whole argument that Tx should do the same.

So then would you be a proponent of splitting the Texas hunting license up and having NR buy their tags separately if they draw? Sure you have to buy a qualifying license (small game, turkey, or some other) to enter the draw in CO or NM, but it definitely does not cost $300+ dollars just to apply for a hunt in any western state. NM and WY are refundable for example if you don't draw. What is your equivalent qualifying license here if you are trying to make a false equivalence between public hunting in TX and public hunting in any other western state. I am surprised you are trying to make that argument as experienced an out of state hunter that you are. The products are not the same and all you have to do is look at the land owner ship percentage of Texas vs. any other state. Sorry but the MD tags you can draw with 0 pts in CO as a NR are just not in the same universe as the handful of options in TX. WT you could make a better case for comparison with CO and TX as most of WT range in CO is private ground.

List B Tags are not unlimited OTC Tags. Two different things entirely. A OTC bull tag in CO is still a List A tag.

For the record, I have absolutely no issue buying some type of qualifying license prior to applying to these hunts. I find the idea that I should have to shell out the whole $315 bucks (that does not even include a fishing license because NR cannot buy a super combo...) a bridge to far. A non-resident must still purchase all of the same permits on top of their hunting license as well, so all said and done a NR that draws one of these hunts is looking at over $500 in license fees and expenses...

What do you think it cost to enter and draw A deer hunt in Okla, CO, NM, etc? In Okla the tag is alone is $500 for deer, elk, pronghorn and bear. Thats on top of application cost and license. NM is non-refundable qualifing Hunting license if you don’t draw. NM the Only thing refundable is Just the upfront tag fees, but not the interest. I floated and paid interest on $15k in NM last year between my daughter and I, on top of license.

You are a resident in a state where residents are doing everything they can to lesson NR opportunities and increase cost burden, and then come here and debate the value vs cost of Texas draw hunt….. think about that for a second

It’s not about the products it’s about opportunity. You are fixated on value of a hunt. If the value isn’t there for the cost don’t apply. I didn’t apply in Montana for many years because the point system and combo license was stupid expensive.

I’m very aware of what a list B tag is, I’ve purchased several, it’s an opportunity for more than just one tag in many areas. Texas draw hunts are not unlimited animal hunts, they are limited. You cant buy an add on to any Texas draw hunt

Again if Texas draw doesn’t present a value to its cost don’t apply! Texas doesn’t need NR hunters to max out its PR funding like CO does. But $3 for NR to apply with no allocation restriction is ridiculous, especially when their is no other state that you can apply to and not have to float tag fees and/or buy a qualifying license

And NRs are guaranteed a set aside amount of licenses just for them in most Western states, does Texas do that?

As far as I know every man.woman and child in the world can buy a NR license in Texas if they want to. There are no limits.

But how many draw hunts are set aside for NRs only? This about the draw hunts in Texas.

Non residents have a chance at 100% of the draw tags in TX. If their are X number of tags for a draw hunt and non residents draw all of them then they get them. States like CO say they give 25% to NR, but if you look after the draw its often more like 15-20% or even less in many units. So I see your point, but its a pretty weak one in my opinion.

Oh, I'm in favor of NR paying more for your hunts but to argue they can come and buy an OTC license and go hunt is not the same as having a set aside quota for NRs on draw hunts.
Maybe Texas needs to give NRs a certain percentage of those draw hunts guaranteed?
Yes we can apply for all but not guaranteed any of them right?

I filled out my survey. Pretty satisfied with the Texas draw. Ironically, I never knew about the Texas public hunts when I lived in Texas (born and raised). But since moving i started applying and have had success.

Whatever they change it to, I will play the game by the rules. No complaints from me.

Nobody is guaranteed here R or NR, everyone is in the same pool and whomever is drawn is drawn is my understanding.

NR have same chance as Res, that is a much greater chance of drawing than say no MORE than 6% or x % of tags go to NR pool, Where many hunt codes wouldn’t even have a NR tag like a lot of NM and CO hunt codes.

Texas has no black out NR hunt codes

It seems simple to understand doesn't it? Yet some are having such a hard time grasping it

All you've done is bitch, what's your solution? Seems like you've had plenty of NR out of state opportunity to me.

Keep in mind any person can also enter every hunt for every hunt codes. Again, not the same product remotely as a western draw hunt. More like a raffle.

Said it in the very first post?

Defending a current NR whine about us wanting to bring TX up to speed on cost competitive and resident opportunity protection isn’t bitching. It’s not even debatable that Texas is priced excessively low for NR when compared across the nation.

I’ve bought alot of opportunity with LO vouchers(public and private) when I don’t draw so I can hunt multiple states every year. I have also been purchasing/playing the PP game for almost 30 years. I am blessed with the financial ability to apply in multiple states. So over the years I’ve had a lot of opportunity but I paid for it. No different than you leasing in TX.

Again if you don’t see the value don’t apply.

Some are missing my point, most- not all Western states set aside licenses for NRs that Residents can not apply for.
Just the leftover draw in Wyoming is open to both.
As far as buying a hunting license to apply, not in favor for any state, but make NRs pay more to apply.

The fine print on most states isnt a guaranteed NR allocation per hunt code, it’s a guaranteed min for Residents. Example in NM, It essentially takes 40 tags(non-OIL) in a hunt code for NR pool to get 1. So now every NR for that hunt code is competing for 1 tag. While not the same percentage, there is a similar allocation situation in AZ, UT, NV, CO, etc with lots of black out codes.

If Texas went by no less then 90% to Res, vast majority of hunt codes wouldn’t have a NR tag, and our top hunts like DBHS(book ram), Chaparral(180plus WT) or Yoakum Dunes Wildlife (170-200 plus mule deer), would ALL be resident only.

CO RMDS hunt/unit I went on last year was a LO tag because that unit/hunt code is a blackout code for Non-Residents. Only residents can draw that code. Same should apply in Texas. If a NR wants to hunt DBHS in Texas because of the limited available draw tags, they should have too buy a landowner tag.