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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit? [Re: AZ_Hunter_2000] #9160243 12/29/24 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AZ_Hunter_2000
The only truly worthwhile product(s) they have is their UHD binocular line. Everything else has better competition at typically more attractive price points (especially if folks would pick up the phone and ask for the best price).

I had a Viper HS go from working great on several hunts to having insufficient elevation to get to 100 yards; even dialing the previously validated 775 yards. Both a friend and myself remounted and attempted to re-zero. Again dialing to the previously validated 775 yards was insufficient to get to 100 yards. Sent it in and Vortex said the scope was good to go. Their service department was kind enough to put the scope right back at the number of clicks required to get to 775 yards. Removed the base, installed a 20 MOA base (which eventually became my de facto Vortex band aid) and sold the scope and rifle.

Both a new Viper and it had insufficient elevation to get to 100 yards on a. 308 Win. A friend and I remounted and still had insufficient elevation. Vortex checked the scope out and it was "perfect" so they claimed that my rifle had to be bent. Crazy part was a different Vortex scope worked fine on that "bent" rifle with the same rings, base, and ammo.

I had a new scope that lasted literally a handful of shots on a 6.5 CM before an internal lens went horizontal. The service center sent me the scope back unfixed. After a bit of wrangling, I finally got the scope repaired.

The only working Vortex scope that I still have is an old Diamondback that just keeps on ticking. My Vipers and Razors have all gone tits up at some point.

Between Trijicon, Maven, and Nightforce (especially with some sales and open box deals) you can get significantly better scopes that actually have a strong reputation for being reliable.


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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by AZ_Hunter_2000
The only truly worthwhile product(s) they have is their UHD binocular line. Everything else has better competition at typically more attractive price points (especially if folks would pick up the phone and ask for the best price).

I had a Viper HS go from working great on several hunts to having insufficient elevation to get to 100 yards; even dialing the previously validated 775 yards. Both a friend and myself remounted and attempted to re-zero. Again dialing to the previously validated 775 yards was insufficient to get to 100 yards. Sent it in and Vortex said the scope was good to go. Their service department was kind enough to put the scope right back at the number of clicks required to get to 775 yards. Removed the base, installed a 20 MOA base (which eventually became my de facto Vortex band aid) and sold the scope and rifle.

Both a new Viper and it had insufficient elevation to get to 100 yards on a. 308 Win. A friend and I remounted and still had insufficient elevation. Vortex checked the scope out and it was "perfect" so they claimed that my rifle had to be bent. Crazy part was a different Vortex scope worked fine on that "bent" rifle with the same rings, base, and ammo.

I had a new scope that lasted literally a handful of shots on a 6.5 CM before an internal lens went horizontal. The service center sent me the scope back unfixed. After a bit of wrangling, I finally got the scope repaired.

The only working Vortex scope that I still have is an old Diamondback that just keeps on ticking. My Vipers and Razors have all gone tits up at some point.

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Between Trijicon, Maven, and Nightforce (especially with some sales and open box deals) you can get significantly better scopes that actually have a strong reputation for being reliable.


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Find me a better scope than the Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36 for 2500 ( average I paid for my 3) and I will buy one tomorrow. As I said above there are probably two brands that are 2% better but both cost close to or above 5,000.00. I have the Nightforce 7-35 ATACR and it’s close to as good as the Vortex but I like the Vortex better and it’s a 1000.00 cheaper.

I know these are not generally used in hunting but the OP asked if Vortex made anything good and they must because even when I am at elk or deer camp most of the glass I see is Vortex with Leupold right there as well.

I have not owned a lot of Vortex glass personally maybe 20 or so counting bino’s scopes Spotters and so far no failures. My son did have a red dot on his service weapon AR that failed but he said it was due to abuse and it was replaced by Vortex overnight.


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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit? [Re: wp75169] #9160291 12/29/24 02:46 AM
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That belonged to a guy at a match that had just got it back from vortex for a different issue. He was less than pleased. I can’t speak to what happened, he just showed it to me and I took the pic.


Gotcha, almost looks like glue gave out from heat etc. I’d been less than pleased also!


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Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit? [Re: ntxtrapper] #9160293 12/29/24 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
With all the quality optics companies that exist I just don’t understand why I would ever buy their products. If their allegedly good product line was considerably less expensive than others, then maybe, but they’re not.


There are a lot of optics companies but not make optics makers. I think Vortex has gotten so big that they have had to constantly look for more MFG capacity and in doing so have to use the lessor MFG’s


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Best bang for the buck on the planet as far as binoculars go. My 8x32 UHD's are easily on par with my 10x and 8x SLC's, and 10x Meostar HD's.

Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit? [Re: BOBO the Clown] #9160596 12/29/24 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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With all the quality optics companies that exist I just don’t understand why I would ever buy their products. If their allegedly good product line was considerably less expensive than others, then maybe, but they’re not.


There are a lot of optics companies but not make optics makers. I think Vortex has gotten so big that they have had to constantly look for more MFG capacity and in doing so have to use the lessor MFG’s


Cheap labor, cheap materials and cheap processes make for a cheap product. Companies expand their product lines to widen their customer base and that can work out great for kitchen products, but in the optics industry they sacrifice their reputation. If ALL they care about is money it’s probably working out great for them.

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I’m still happy with all the vortex products I own. Small sample size as I only have a pst gen 1 a gen 2 and a range finder. I did buy them all on pretty massive sales at the time and got between 40-50% off.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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With all the quality optics companies that exist I just don’t understand why I would ever buy their products. If their allegedly good product line was considerably less expensive than others, then maybe, but they’re not.


There are a lot of optics companies but not make optics makers. I think Vortex has gotten so big that they have had to constantly look for more MFG capacity and in doing so have to use the lessor MFG’s


Cheap labor, cheap materials and cheap processes make for a cheap product. Companies expand their product lines to widen their customer base and that can work out great for kitchen products, but in the optics industry they sacrifice their reputation. If ALL they care about is money it’s probably working out great for them.


Everything is made to a price point no matter who's brand is on it. They obviously have a good reputation with the vast majority of the public since they're the largest optics seller in the world now. After they way they handled the Liberty Optics fiasco where the dealer screwed over a whole bunch of Vortex customers, Vortex earned a huge amount of my respect.

Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit? [Re: DustyArmadillo] #9160639 12/29/24 10:19 PM
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Largest rifle scope or sport optics companies in the world. They aren’t even mentioned.

This is just the rifle scopes.

https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/riflescopes-market

Re: Does vortex make anything worth a chit? [Re: DStroud] #9160691 12/29/24 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DStroud
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Originally Posted by AZ_Hunter_2000
The only truly worthwhile product(s) they have is their UHD binocular line. Everything else has better competition at typically more attractive price points (especially if folks would pick up the phone and ask for the best price).

I had a Viper HS go from working great on several hunts to having insufficient elevation to get to 100 yards; even dialing the previously validated 775 yards. Both a friend and myself remounted and attempted to re-zero. Again dialing to the previously validated 775 yards was insufficient to get to 100 yards. Sent it in and Vortex said the scope was good to go. Their service department was kind enough to put the scope right back at the number of clicks required to get to 775 yards. Removed the base, installed a 20 MOA base (which eventually became my de facto Vortex band aid) and sold the scope and rifle.

Both a new Viper and it had insufficient elevation to get to 100 yards on a. 308 Win. A friend and I remounted and still had insufficient elevation. Vortex checked the scope out and it was "perfect" so they claimed that my rifle had to be bent. Crazy part was a different Vortex scope worked fine on that "bent" rifle with the same rings, base, and ammo.

I had a new scope that lasted literally a handful of shots on a 6.5 CM before an internal lens went horizontal. The service center sent me the scope back unfixed. After a bit of wrangling, I finally got the scope repaired.

The only working Vortex scope that I still have is an old Diamondback that just keeps on ticking. My Vipers and Razors have all gone tits up at some point.

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Between Trijicon, Maven, and Nightforce (especially with some sales and open box deals) you can get significantly better scopes that actually have a strong reputation for being reliable.


^^^^^^^


Find me a better scope than the Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36 for 2500 ( average I paid for my 3) and I will buy one tomorrow. As I said above there are probably two brands that are 2% better but both cost close to or above 5,000.00. I have the Nightforce 7-35 ATACR and it’s close to as good as the Vortex but I like the Vortex better and it’s a 1000.00 cheaper.

I know these are not generally used in hunting but the OP asked if Vortex made anything good and they must because even when I am at elk or deer camp most of the glass I see is Vortex with Leupold right there as well.

I have not owned a lot of Vortex glass personally maybe 20 or so counting bino’s scopes Spotters and so far no failures. My son did have a red dot on his service weapon AR that failed but he said it was due to abuse and it was replaced by Vortex overnight.



Very unlikely that NF is going to break.

I'd bet my lunch money the Vortex is going to break at some point. The extra $1000 is so a guy isn't broke down 14 hours from home. On a hunt, or in a rifle match.

I've got 3 NF scopes. I've got 0 Vortex scopes.

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Briefly looking at the web report above, it mentions Nikon Corporation. Haven't they been out of the rifle scope business for a while now?

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Nikon bailed from the scope market several years ago, and is hardly considered a competitor anymore. Not sure of the validity of that link NTX provided either, but he is correct in that I should have said "one of the largest", as if it matters anyway.

https://rocketreach.co/vortex-optics-profile_b5eab398f42e7a5d
https://rocketreach.co/nightforce-optics-profile_b588c96af659348d
https://rocketreach.co/leupold-stevens-inc-profile_b5c699f3f42e0c91
https://rocketreach.co/hawke-optics-profile_b5c0aa1ef42e0840

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Originally Posted by DustyArmadillo
Seems like it’s just hit or miss.

Gives meaning to “buy nice or buy twice”


You're probably fine with their observation optics. Spotting scopes, binoculars, range finder.

Though, I've got a Gen 1 Razor spotter I need to send in for the second time. The first time it got dust inside it. 6 months after it came back from them it got water inside it. I thought sealing optics was an old, proven feature.


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Originally Posted by J.G.
Originally Posted by DustyArmadillo
Seems like it’s just hit or miss.

Gives meaning to “buy nice or buy twice”


You're probably fine with their observation optics. Spotting scopes, binoculars, range finder.

Though, I've got a Gen 1 Razor spotter I need to send in for the second time. The first time it got dust inside it. 6 months after it came back from them it got water inside it. I thought sealing optics was an old, proven feature.


Nah. No need for that. They’ve got a great warranty!

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I know haters are gonna hate and this won’t change anyone’s opinion but I saw this just now and seeing above posts about how Vortex ranks in the market.
No 1 brand sold by Scheels 👍Congrats to Vortex!

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Originally Posted by DStroud
I know haters are gonna hate and this won’t change anyone’s opinion but I saw this just now and seeing above posts about how Vortex ranks in the market.
No 1 brand sold by Scheels 👍Congrats to Vortex!

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That's to be expected considering average price point.


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Originally Posted by DStroud
I know haters are gonna hate and this won’t change anyone’s opinion but I saw this just now and seeing above posts about how Vortex ranks in the market.
No 1 brand sold by Scheels 👍Congrats to Vortex!

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It’s impossible to get this question answered but I’d like to know how many people that bought a Vortex at Scheels did their own research vs ask the person behind the counter which scope to buy

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Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson
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I know haters are gonna hate and this won’t change anyone’s opinion but I saw this just now and seeing above posts about how Vortex ranks in the market.
No 1 brand sold by Scheels 👍Congrats to Vortex!

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That's to be expected considering average price point.


Just proves your average hunter/shooter doesn't buy quality equipment.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Originally Posted by DStroud
I know haters are gonna hate and this won’t change anyone’s opinion but I saw this just now and seeing above posts about how Vortex ranks in the market.
No 1 brand sold by Scheels 👍Congrats to Vortex!

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That's to be expected considering average price point.


Just proves your average hunter/shooter doesn't buy quality equipment.


Why would anyone one buy optics from big box store. They are always going to follow MAP. Where as the smaller retailers may have the “demo’s /openbox” discount that you have to “call about”


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Sure, buy a scope. Have the big box store mount it, and bore sight it. They screw that up. Burn up a minimum of a 20 round box of junk ammo to get it zeroed-ish. Call it good. Shoot deer vitals at 100 yards, tell your friends it was a good buy.

Thar tells what a good rifle scope is. rolleyes


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Originally Posted by J.G.
Sure, buy a scope. Have the big box store mount it, and bore sight it. They screw that up. Burn up a minimum of a 20 round box of junk ammo to get it zeroed-ish. Call it good. Shoot deer vitals at 100 yards, tell your friends it was a good buy.

Thar tells what a good rifle scope is. rolleyes

Pretty much gotta agree with all that. Your average deer hunter just described.


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He left out sighting in a Vortex with the target on the bag of corn.

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We forget that most of the hunters really are content with what is being described above. They’re hunters not target shooters and they pay less attention to their rifle and scope than they do their knives when they get ready to go hunt. In the hunting world I almost agree having shot deer with a .357 and 45 Colt knowing it would get the job done. Then again I carry the right tool for the job of the day. Most of those 70 yard feeder hunters are ill prepared to become pipeline hunters and they don’t even know it.

By the way I was quite content hunting my 70 yard feeder yesterday and using 257 Roberts with a 3-9. (Not a Vortex)

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
He left out sighting in a Vortex with the target on the bag of corn.


I have used the the back rest on one of my Double Bull blind chairs to verify zero so I might be a redneck cheers
By that I mean I shot the chair from 100 yds away laying prone. Why else would they put a bullseye on it.🎯
It wasn’t a Vortex either it was a Trijicon…. Its long gone glass was 😑

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