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11/26/24 09:58 PM
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What’s the best one out there? I’ve always used a stone but want to move to something else.
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Kinda depends. But, the one I use most is the 110 volt motor with 2 different stones.
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Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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11/26/24 11:39 PM
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Providing you already have the edge geometry you want, a ceramic rod is hard to beat ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2024/11/full-19470-437735-img_0513.jpeg)
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11/27/24 12:32 AM
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Providing you already have the edge geometry you want, a ceramic rod is hard to beat Ceramic rods do a great job of sharpening knives. I use 2 ceramic rods in a V Block that holds them are the right angle. I just hold the knife straight up and down and pull is across the rods alternating sides. I can't remember where I bought it, but it wasn't very expensive, came with two sets of rods. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/T36BPyyG/20241126-192502.jpg)
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If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
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Re: Knife sharpener
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11/27/24 01:02 AM
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I bought and use the motors that the guys at the gun shows use. But, then I generally finish with some oiled stones.
BTW, if you want to it to cut, use high carbon steel blades. They take more care and maintenance than stainless but are worth it.
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Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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11/27/24 01:27 AM
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V-Sharpe Wart Hog best I have ever found!!!
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11/27/24 02:03 AM
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The wife was cutting up my recent doe today, so sharpening was gonna have to happen. A couple of real expensive Wusthof knives needed a good edge, and the small filet knives she used had to be resharpened after she finished. And my Griptilian needed to be brought back to razor sharp. I used a Very Fine diamond plate, then a hard black Arkansas stone and then a leather strop. That’s usually enough if the blade isn’t too dull. The big Wusthof was dull as a butter knife (not really), so I had to use the coarse diamond plate, then the Very Fine, then the oil stone and strop. Those German steel knives will really take a good edge. The filet knives took a while to get sharp, and they were stainless. Dave’s stainless vs carbon steel edge holding must be right.
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I’ve made a lot, probably many 100’s, of knives over probably 50+ years but never to sell. More of a hobby. The best steel I’ve found was from industrial hacksaw blades and they aren’t stainless. They take and hold an edge. They also rust so they need more care. You hand wash and dry them. They are also, I have found, more brittle than stainless. Various sites on the web sell knife making billets.
No way I’m going to try to make another set of serrated steak knives.
Stainless is good for everyday kitchen use and Boy Scouts. But, if you want to cut something other than on your plate, get something that takes a little more special care. Look for high carbon steel on the web.
Due to arthritis
in my back, I can no longer bend my back forward when knife making. And the back braces are fairly useless.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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11/27/24 09:09 PM
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As far as sharpeners go, I started out by using an Edge Pro Apex, and it worked really well, just a little slower than I wanted with the volume I was doing. Wicked Edge has some really good sharpeners also but I don’t have any firsthand experience, just listening to some other knife makers. I now use my 2x72 grinder but that’s not really a cost effective option for most people
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11/28/24 02:39 PM
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I use the work sharp precision pro and you can split hairs. But…$249
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11/28/24 02:56 PM
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I’m about to order a wicked edge
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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11/28/24 07:25 PM
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I like the Lansky System.
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11/29/24 10:05 AM
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I’m about to order a wicked edge For what some of those cost you might look at Tormek sharpeners.
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11/29/24 04:04 PM
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I typically use my bench grinder with paper and sissel wheels coated with polishing compound.. but you have to be careful doing that... its easy to take off a lot more steel than you intended if youre not paying attention.. In the kitchen when I just want to touch something up, Ive found the Warthog V-Sharp to be pretty much idiot proof and super effective at putting a really nice edge back on your blade.. Its my go to tool for keeping the butcher and chefs knives sharp and I'll occasionally touch up my hunting knives and other blades if they just need a quick resharpening... https://warthogusa.com/product/vsharp-a4-knife-sharpener/
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11/29/24 04:20 PM
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Diamond stone. Doesn't have to be anything fancy, a smith's from academy is fine
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I've used the Lansky for a long time, wasn't satisfied so I gave to a friend. I had it for several years. I have a brand new still in the box Elite sharpener still in the box Work Sharp. I saw a gentleman at Cabela's sharpening his knife using a Wart Hog sharpener. He sharpened my knife to shaving sharp in just a few minutes. Needless to say I bought one the next day at the gunshop I visit quite often. My right hand took a whoopin when a tire blew up as I was airing it up. Been over forty years ago probably. Dr's said it would never be the same and would more than likely be useless in a few years. I still have use of it but my grip is not very strong. With very little grip it is hard to hold a knife at the same angle consistently to get a really sharp edge. The work sharp changed that. Highly recommend them!
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12/03/24 09:48 PM
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Providing you already have the edge geometry you want, a ceramic rod is hard to beat Yeah I use those for a touch up after using a knife if it's not dirty. Bought a half a dozen or so from SMKW some years ago. Good inexpensive tool
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Mostly use the $2.99 whetstones from harbor freight for a
serious honing when needed
Proper butcher steels and ceramic rods on a handle for
touch up.
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Used to be every gun and real sporting goods stores sold
genuine natural arkansas stones of the various grades for
very reasonable prices.
I haven't seen any for a very long time unless I just overlooked
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12/03/24 11:57 PM
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I used to use various oilstones for sharpening chisels, handplane blades, and knives. I did Ok, but went to a woodworking school some years later, where part of the course was sharpening. They used only diamond plated followed by a leather strop. That really changed my thinking, so I got the necessary diamond plates, added a hard black Arkansas stone to the process. This has to be done by hand, so if that won’t work for you, get something that plugs in. Some folks just never can get the skill to sharpen by hand. But, it’s really just like anything else, in that practice is required, along with some tolerance for frustration.
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12/04/24 03:14 PM
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I grew up using old fashioned stones and leather strop. Also used a Lansky that I bought my dad years ago and it worked pretty well. Wifey got me one of those table top rolling style sharpeners last year for Christmas mainly for kitchen knives and such. I've actually used it on my hunting knives and filet knives as well and have been pleased with the results. Still finish with leather.
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Wicked Edge, followed by a leather strap is the only way to go.
I spent 25 years with stones. I'll never do that again.
My pocket knife is M-390, which is harder than woodpecker lips. You'd be there forever with stones. The Wicked Edge system let's you get perfect edge geometry. Through trial and error, I learned I like my pocket knife at 20°, which is kind of a minimum for a working knife. My fixed handle knives that gut, skin and quarter I put a 25° edge on. Which is more durable and longer lasting.
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Sorry, gotta disagree with J.G. I sharpen some pretty high dollar knives regularly and these are my best recomdations. Nothing that is pull through. Nothing electric. These will both wear out the knife prematurely and still not get you the edge your looking for For a high Rockwell steel (63 HRC+) i would use Naniwa Diamond stones. (Really Expensive But Worth It) ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2024/12/full-11672-438810-img_1148.jpeg) For good steel below that I would use Naniwa Pro/Chosera Stones. (Kind Of Expensive But Very Easy To Get Great Results) ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2024/12/full-11672-438811-img_1149.jpeg) For a little bit more budget friendly option i would recommend the Shapton Glass stones. (Get The 500, 1000 & 4000) ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2024/12/full-11672-438812-img_1150.jpeg) For some down and dirty get it done and still be really sharp you could look at the Atoma Diamond plates in 400, 600 and 1200 grit. (Hard to Find But Super Fast To Use) ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2024/12/full-11672-438814-img_1151.jpeg) Have a good leather strop to finish your knife with and you’ll be set.
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Looks like lot of us do it differently but still accomplish the objective. I have a lot of stones and strops but also the electric wheels that the gun show guys use.
If the blade is high carbon, I can put a shaving edge on it. Not so with stainless.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Sorry, gotta disagree with J.G. I sharpen some pretty high dollar knives regularly and these are my best recomdations. Nothing that is pull through. Nothing electric. These will both wear out the knife prematurely and still not get you the edge your looking for For a high Rockwell steel (63 HRC+) i would use Naniwa Diamond stones. (Really Expensive But Worth It) For good steel below that I would use Naniwa Pro/Chosera Stones. (Kind Of Expensive But Very Easy To Get Great Results) For a little bit more budget friendly option i would recommend the Shapton Glass stones. (Get The 500, 1000 & 4000) For some down and dirty get it done and still be really sharp you could look at the Atoma Diamond plates in 400, 600 and 1200 grit. (Hard to Find But Super Fast To Use) Have a good leather strop to finish your knife with and you’ll be set. 10000 grit in the one pic = crazy! I typically finish with a 1200 grit stone and works for what i do.
Never violate a woman, nor harm a child. Do not lie, cheat or steal. These things are for lesser men. Protect the weak against the evil strong. And never allow thoughts of gain to lead you into the pursuit of evil.
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10000 grit in the one pic = crazy!
I typically finish with a 1200 grit stone and works for what i do.
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That 10K is the bomb. Have you ever had to brunoise three or four dozen over ripened tomato’s?
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Sorry, gotta disagree with J.G. I sharpen some pretty high dollar knives regularly and these are my best recomdations. Nothing that is pull through. Nothing electric. These will both wear out the knife prematurely and still not get you the edge your looking for For a high Rockwell steel (63 HRC+) i would use Naniwa Diamond stones. (Really Expensive But Worth It) For good steel below that I would use Naniwa Pro/Chosera Stones. (Kind Of Expensive But Very Easy To Get Great Results) For a little bit more budget friendly option i would recommend the Shapton Glass stones. (Get The 500, 1000 & 4000) For some down and dirty get it done and still be really sharp you could look at the Atoma Diamond plates in 400, 600 and 1200 grit. (Hard to Find But Super Fast To Use) Have a good leather strop to finish your knife with and you’ll be set. You want to sharpen a knife for me?
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63 HRC? That's ridiculous, 58 -60 pretty much the standard. 62 or higher the blade is too brittle and dang near impossible to sharpen. Some knife makers may say they are getting 63 but I really doubt it. 63 HRC is almost at Martisite before tempering ..
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63 HRC? That's ridiculous, 58 -60 pretty much the standard. 62 or higher the blade is too brittle and dang near impossible to sharpen. Some knife makers may say they are getting 63 but I really doubt it. 63 HRC is almost at Martisite before tempering .. You are probably thinking pocket knives. I have chef knives that are 68HRC. Check out a Sukenari Hairline HAP40 gyuto. A 62 HRC is pretty much at the lower end for the knives I own. That’s why I spent so much money on those Naniwa diamond stones.
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Disagree if you like. You're still eyeballing the angle. That about the same as loading ammo with a powder scoop versus weighing the powder.
I can go to 2000 grit. I stop sharpening at 600 grit. The micro serrations on the blade make it cut better.
If I start making straight razors, I will take them to 2000 grit.
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63 HRC? That's ridiculous, 58 -60 pretty much the standard. 62 or higher the blade is too brittle and dang near impossible to sharpen. Some knife makers may say they are getting 63 but I really doubt it. 63 HRC is almost at Martisite before tempering .. You are probably thinking pocket knives. I have chef knives that are 68HRC. Check out a Sukenari Hairline HAP40 gyuto. A 62 HRC is pretty much at the lower end for the knives I own. That’s why I spent so much money on those Naniwa diamond stones. And now your arguing with one of the best knife makers in the United States. This is rich!
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63 HRC? That's ridiculous, 58 -60 pretty much the standard. 62 or higher the blade is too brittle and dang near impossible to sharpen. Some knife makers may say they are getting 63 but I really doubt it. 63 HRC is almost at Martisite before tempering .. You are probably thinking pocket knives. I have chef knives that are 68HRC. Check out a Sukenari Hairline HAP40 gyuto. A 62 HRC is pretty much at the lower end for the knives I own. That’s why I spent so much money on those Naniwa diamond stones. I wasn't speaking about chef knives, most of us aren't experienced chefs and can't afford a knife with a 68 hrc Higher HRC knives chip more easily so go a touch lower on the scale (55-58) if you’re less skilled. If you need blade flexibility, buy a knife with a slightly lower HRC (around 56). It’s possible to get knives as high as 68 HRC but they’re super expensive and are only worth the extra money if you’re an experienced chef. You dang sure don't want to chop through bone with one that hard. 
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63 HRC? That's ridiculous, 58 -60 pretty much the standard. 62 or higher the blade is too brittle and dang near impossible to sharpen. Some knife makers may say they are getting 63 but I really doubt it. 63 HRC is almost at Martisite before tempering .. You are probably thinking pocket knives. I have chef knives that are 68HRC. Check out a Sukenari Hairline HAP40 gyuto. A 62 HRC is pretty much at the lower end for the knives I own. That’s why I spent so much money on those Naniwa diamond stones. And now your arguing with one of the best knife makers in the United States. This is rich! May be worse than the one educating people who have been trapping for 40 years about mountain lions 
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The funny part about this is that the guy with the 60 some odd Rockwell knives was right and all the people "educating" him was wrong 🤣🤣
Gotta love the interwebs lol
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We are comparing a razor blade to a chopper. Every knife has a specific function. To take in consideration is the steel, the grind and the secondary bevel.
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Sorry, gotta disagree with J.G.
I sharpen some pretty high dollar knives regularly and these are my best recomdations.
Nothing that is pull through. Nothing electric. These will both wear out the knife prematurely and still not get you the edge your looking for
Neither the wicked Edge (that JG uses) or the Lansky (that I use) are electric or pull through. They are both stones that are mechanically held at a specific angle. I can get a damn good edge with just stones (as I am sure Jason can do too), but with a system that holds the perfect angle, I can get a perfect edge. The lansky and wicked edge use the exact same concept as your bench stones, just with more precision.
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