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Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer? #9129335 10/29/24 01:53 PM
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Yes, and it is apparently good for tigers too. Pictured is a LRRP who killed a tiger while on patrol with one shot from his M16.

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If 5.56 is the only thing a person has, go for it. For me, I'd rather shoot something bigger.

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that sure looks like a 7.62 magazine in the pics


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Yes it is, however shot placement is a bit more critical for a good takedown.


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Originally Posted by spankyttx
that sure looks like a 7.62 magazine in the pics

Negative. 20rnd GI mags.

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Yeah, it’ll work, but if I’m staring down a tiger, I want just a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky
Yeah, it’ll work, but if I’m staring down a tiger, I want just a bit more.


I think you are going to use what ever you have roflmao although no way way I would want a NATO approved bullet for any animal

Those boys on Rokslide been killing grizzlies with them. Technically 223 with 77TMK bigger wound channel then broad head


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LRRPs were as badazz as they come. What struck me was his camo pattern is very similar to today's Origin camo pattern. Uuuuugly! grin

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Yessir , if it’s all I had I’d be happy about it but not if I had a choice

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Originally Posted by Creekrunner
LRRPs were as badazz as they come. What struck me was his camo pattern is very similar to today's Origin camo pattern. Uuuuugly! grin

'Had a salesman that said he lost a guy on patrol to a tiger, while he was sleeping. But, when another guy went to this guy's house and looked over his framed ribbons, the combat ribbon wasn't in there. confused2


Yes origin is a Jocko pattern done as a throw back to tiger stripe and it’s SF roots


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It’s all about bullet construction, it will work.. don’t shoot something with a green tipped penetrator and expect a grand slam to the ground.

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It's about time someone brought up this topic this year. Yeah, I'll work, but it's marginal at best. So is .243 bolt


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Adequate is a low bar.


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Originally Posted by TAB
It’s all about bullet construction, it will work.. don’t shoot something with a green tipped penetrator and expect a grand slam to the ground.


Yup. The way I lay it out,

- what bullet is it
- how fast at impact
- point of impact (and trajectory through target

Those are the things that matter, not the headstamp.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by Sneaky
Yeah, it’ll work, but if I’m staring down a tiger, I want just a bit more.


I think you are going to use what ever you have roflmao although no way way I would want a NATO approved bullet for any animal

Those boys on Rokslide been killing grizzlies with them. Technically 223 with 77TMK bigger wound channel then broad head


There used to be a Russian guy in the guides and outfitters section that advertised Russian brown bear hunts. He had several pictures of bears killed with an SKS.

On that note, the biggest pig I’ve shot was killed with a single 5.56 green tip in the chest cavity. Right at 250lbs. Ran 5 ft and dropped dead. People have preconceived notions of what they think will or won’t work.

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Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson
Adequate is a low bar.


Ditto!

Lets see...... I may be going on a hunt for which I have invested a good amount of time and money. Maybe hundreds of dollars for suitable gear. Bincos, rangefinders, tips for guides, air-fare, hotels, meals, gas.

Or maybe you are just sitting in your stand or ground blind here in Texas and a shooter appears.

I had an old insurance mentor that had a maxim, "When you know you know, and when you know you know, confidence replaces fear.

A cartridge of sufficient caliber and weight gives me that confidence.

However, since you ask?

Any object that will blow up the heart or lungs or break the spine or destroy the CNS will kill an animal.

However, I do not like to track in my old age. I want stuff DRT.

Don't know what the terrain is like where you hunt. Where I hunt, if one cannot find a blood trail within 10' or so of the POI, often one does not find the critter. No coming back in the AM as due to our temps, the meat will be green if it has not been eaten by coyotes, hogs, and other vermin. Buzzards get up early.

I particularly like two leaky holes, that just in case the critter is not DRT, I have a blood trail a blind man can wade in.

I typically prefer 7mm (.284") or larger but will slum a 6.5mm on occasion.......

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Works for me, but as always, YMMV!

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Remember this story? Evidently the .22 Long is "adequate" for grizzly.

Hey, it worked that day.


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Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson
Adequate is a low bar.

^^^^I love this!!!!! May be my new sig line. Kind of my mantra in life. We were making adjustments to stands one time that apparently some thought we didnt need to do. He said “good enough” ain’t in your vocabulary is it, and I said “nope”.
I dont like good when gooder is available.


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Originally Posted by RiverRider
Remember this story? Evidently the .22 Long is "adequate" for grizzly.

Hey, it worked that day.


Kinda reminds me of the anecdote where a guy is asked what caliber pistol he takes when he and a bud hunt Griz`


His reply, 22 Rimfire.

Guy remarks in disbelief, and asks why,

Is told, all I have to do is shoot my bud in the knee, and run like hell.

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Geedubya, I think he's shot 1000 deer and all with a different rifle. Is the top picture a Styer? Dang pretty shooter there!


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Geedubya, I think he's shot 1000 deer and all with a different rifle. Is the top picture a Styer? Dang pretty shooter there!


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People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?

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Originally Posted by Choctaw
People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?


Then why did you title it "Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?"


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Originally Posted by Choctaw
People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?


Did you take Rhetoric and Composition in college?


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5.56x45 and .22 Savage Hi-Power are pretty close ballistically (the Hi-Power was a 70 grain at 2800 fps, comparable weight 77 grain 5.56 is 2750), the .22 Savage Hi-Power was used on tigers and other dangerous game back in it its heyday. Slip an M193 bullet between the ribs at close range and whatever is being shot will be dead in a hurry. Those LRRP guys had some real guts.

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