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Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/29/24 01:53 PM
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Yes, and it is apparently good for tigers too. Pictured is a LRRP who killed a tiger while on patrol with one shot from his M16. Story
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: Choctaw]
#9129343
10/29/24 02:08 PM
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If 5.56 is the only thing a person has, go for it. For me, I'd rather shoot something bigger.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/29/24 02:23 PM
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spankyttx
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that sure looks like a 7.62 magazine in the pics
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: Choctaw]
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10/29/24 02:44 PM
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Paul 1167
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Yes it is, however shot placement is a bit more critical for a good takedown.
Paul T. Fort Worth, TX
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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#9129370
10/29/24 03:02 PM
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KRoyal
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that sure looks like a 7.62 magazine in the pics Negative. 20rnd GI mags.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: Choctaw]
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10/29/24 03:07 PM
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Sneaky
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Yeah, it’ll work, but if I’m staring down a tiger, I want just a bit more.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: Sneaky]
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10/29/24 03:21 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Yeah, it’ll work, but if I’m staring down a tiger, I want just a bit more. I think you are going to use what ever you have although no way way I would want a NATO approved bullet for any animal Those boys on Rokslide been killing grizzlies with them. Technically 223 with 77TMK bigger wound channel then broad head
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/29/24 03:42 PM
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LRRPs were as badazz as they come. What struck me was his camo pattern is very similar to today's Origin camo pattern. Uuuuugly! 'Had a salesman that said he lost a guy on patrol to a tiger, while he was sleeping. But, when another guy went to this guy's house and looked over his framed ribbons, the combat ribbon wasn't in there.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/29/24 09:54 PM
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Yessir , if it’s all I had I’d be happy about it but not if I had a choice
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/29/24 10:22 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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LRRPs were as badazz as they come. What struck me was his camo pattern is very similar to today's Origin camo pattern. Uuuuugly! 'Had a salesman that said he lost a guy on patrol to a tiger, while he was sleeping. But, when another guy went to this guy's house and looked over his framed ribbons, the combat ribbon wasn't in there. Yes origin is a Jocko pattern done as a throw back to tiger stripe and it’s SF roots
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/29/24 11:34 PM
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It’s all about bullet construction, it will work.. don’t shoot something with a green tipped penetrator and expect a grand slam to the ground.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/29/24 11:52 PM
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unclebubba
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It's about time someone brought up this topic this year. Yeah, I'll work, but it's marginal at best. So is .243
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 12:26 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 12:32 AM
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It’s all about bullet construction, it will work.. don’t shoot something with a green tipped penetrator and expect a grand slam to the ground. Yup. The way I lay it out, - what bullet is it - how fast at impact - point of impact (and trajectory through target Those are the things that matter, not the headstamp.
"Arguing with you always makes me thirsty." -Augustus McRae
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 01:46 AM
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Yeah, it’ll work, but if I’m staring down a tiger, I want just a bit more. I think you are going to use what ever you have although no way way I would want a NATO approved bullet for any animal Those boys on Rokslide been killing grizzlies with them. Technically 223 with 77TMK bigger wound channel then broad head There used to be a Russian guy in the guides and outfitters section that advertised Russian brown bear hunts. He had several pictures of bears killed with an SKS. On that note, the biggest pig I’ve shot was killed with a single 5.56 green tip in the chest cavity. Right at 250lbs. Ran 5 ft and dropped dead. People have preconceived notions of what they think will or won’t work.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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10/30/24 02:12 AM
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Ditto! Lets see...... I may be going on a hunt for which I have invested a good amount of time and money. Maybe hundreds of dollars for suitable gear. Bincos, rangefinders, tips for guides, air-fare, hotels, meals, gas. Or maybe you are just sitting in your stand or ground blind here in Texas and a shooter appears. I had an old insurance mentor that had a maxim, "When you know you know, and when you know you know, confidence replaces fear. A cartridge of sufficient caliber and weight gives me that confidence. However, since you ask? Any object that will blow up the heart or lungs or break the spine or destroy the CNS will kill an animal. However, I do not like to track in my old age. I want stuff DRT. Don't know what the terrain is like where you hunt. Where I hunt, if one cannot find a blood trail within 10' or so of the POI, often one does not find the critter. No coming back in the AM as due to our temps, the meat will be green if it has not been eaten by coyotes, hogs, and other vermin. Buzzards get up early. I particularly like two leaky holes, that just in case the critter is not DRT, I have a blood trail a blind man can wade in. I typically prefer 7mm (.284") or larger but will slum a 6.5mm on occasion....... 6.5x 55, 156 Gr. Norma Oryx 280 Win. 162gr. Hornady ELD-X 7mm Rem. Mag, 160 gr. Partitions. 30-06 Springfield, 180 gr. Sierra Spitzers. 300 H&H, 180 Gr. Accubonds. 300 Win Mag, 180 Gr. Accubonds. 300 WSM, 150 Gr. Sierra Sptizers. 325 WSM, 200 Gr. Accubonds. 35 Whelen, 225 Gr. Sierra Spitzers. 45-70 Gov't, 400 Gr. Speers. All pictured, DRT, except the buck shot with the 280 Rem. The 162 gr. ELD-x did not exit but was next to the hide on the offside. Works for me, but as always, YMMV! ya, GWB
Last edited by Geedubya; 10/30/24 02:19 AM.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 02:39 AM
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RiverRider
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Remember this story? Evidently the .22 Long is "adequate" for grizzly. Hey, it worked that day.
"Arguing with you always makes me thirsty." -Augustus McRae
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
#9129797
10/30/24 02:47 AM
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^^^^I love this!!!!! May be my new sig line. Kind of my mantra in life. We were making adjustments to stands one time that apparently some thought we didnt need to do. He said “good enough” ain’t in your vocabulary is it, and I said “nope”. I dont like good when gooder is available.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 02:47 AM
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Geedubya
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Remember this story? Evidently the .22 Long is "adequate" for grizzly. Hey, it worked that day. Kinda reminds me of the anecdote where a guy is asked what caliber pistol he takes when he and a bud hunt Griz` His reply, 22 Rimfire. Guy remarks in disbelief, and asks why, Is told, all I have to do is shoot my bud in the knee, and run like hell. ya! GWB
A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw Blood
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 04:42 AM
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BoBo knows his cammies
Geedubya, I think he's shot 1000 deer and all with a different rifle. Is the top picture a Styer? Dang pretty shooter there!
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 03:21 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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BoBo knows his cammies
Geedubya, I think he's shot 1000 deer and all with a different rifle. Is the top picture a Styer? Dang pretty shooter there! Successful businesses catch my attention, especially if they have similar ideologies as me. Origin clothing is 100% source in the US. Including West Tx Cotton. There boots are 99% with only one veg tanned midsole layer that they can’t be found in US…. yet.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: unclebubba]
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10/30/24 04:22 PM
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Choctaw
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People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 04:35 PM
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unclebubba
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People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?
Then why did you title it "Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?"
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 04:45 PM
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onlysmith&wesson
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People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?
Did you take Rhetoric and Composition in college?
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 05:24 PM
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5.56x45 and .22 Savage Hi-Power are pretty close ballistically (the Hi-Power was a 70 grain at 2800 fps, comparable weight 77 grain 5.56 is 2750), the .22 Savage Hi-Power was used on tigers and other dangerous game back in it its heyday. Slip an M193 bullet between the ribs at close range and whatever is being shot will be dead in a hurry. Those LRRP guys had some real guts.
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