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Re: I have questions...
[Re: freerange]
#9125619
10/22/24 11:21 AM
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steventtu
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All I'm going to say is that 400yds isn't unheard of, especially for a big, tough deer. My advice would be to give them a little more time, especially if you don't actually see them tip over and die. I know this because literally two days ago I had a good shot on a doe, hopped down after 45 minutes, and followed a solid blood trail for 500yds before I bumped her off a bed. Never found her. That was a tough lesson for me to learn, but I'm going to give at least 1.5-2hrs if I don't see a dead deer from my stand or hear some violent thrashing in the brush. I dont disagree with anything you said but Ill use your post to expand on something. What you described was a deer that likely was not hit real good. What really helps with how to go about a track is to video the shot. With cell phones these days its really easy to do. None of us on our lease dream of shooting an important animal without doing all thats practical to video. Knowing where it was hit tells you a lot about what to do next and when to do it. I agree that my hit was not as good as I thought it was. What’s your process for videoing with a phone? Do you strap it to your chest or something? I can’t bring myself to wear a GoPro, but I would love to see where my shots hit.
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: lubbockdave]
#9125623
10/22/24 11:33 AM
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Joined: Apr 2007
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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OK guys, I really do appreciate the input and the kind words! I will adjust my shot placement and might look into a thermal monocular as well as mechanical broad heads.
Thank you again to everyone for the time and education! It is appreciated!! You were very close to perfect shot, if that exit was 3-4” further back you would have had a better blood trail and both lungs. Exit Just behind offside leg and Regardless congrats on a great buck!!!! Looks like one lung or upper heart area and the exit is all muscle(that’s you bad blood trail) Larger cutting diameter Broadhead gives you a 1/2 to 1” lead way, that lead way may be vertical or horizontal. I like the new hybrids. Evolution archery and Grim reaper make great hybrids, but regardless you recovered him, and great buck. Congrats again
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: steventtu]
#9125712
10/22/24 02:03 PM
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Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 9,577
freerange
THF Trophy Hunter
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All I'm going to say is that 400yds isn't unheard of, especially for a big, tough deer. My advice would be to give them a little more time, especially if you don't actually see them tip over and die. I know this because literally two days ago I had a good shot on a doe, hopped down after 45 minutes, and followed a solid blood trail for 500yds before I bumped her off a bed. Never found her. That was a tough lesson for me to learn, but I'm going to give at least 1.5-2hrs if I don't see a dead deer from my stand or hear some violent thrashing in the brush. I dont disagree with anything you said but Ill use your post to expand on something. What you described was a deer that likely was not hit real good. What really helps with how to go about a track is to video the shot. With cell phones these days its really easy to do. None of us on our lease dream of shooting an important animal without doing all thats practical to video. Knowing where it was hit tells you a lot about what to do next and when to do it. I agree that my hit was not as good as I thought it was. What’s your process for videoing with a phone? Do you strap it to your chest or something? I can’t bring myself to wear a GoPro, but I would love to see where my shots hit. There are lots of "clamps" designed to hold phones that can be adjusted. What I use has a ton of adjustment which wouldnt always be needed. Its only $15 and I saw one just like it for $3. Some are a lot smaller and less bulky. Just google "gooseneck phone holder." We often hunt out of enclosed blinds that have sturdy window frames to clamp to. Even in a tree the one like mine could attach to a limb. If in a popup you could get a cheap camera tripod and attach to that. Downside to video is its one more thing to worry about and maybe go wrong or be a distraction. Jacking with a phone instead of focusing on the shot could be a problem. To me the upside to knowing where you hit is worth any downside. Practicing with the video is important just like any other thing you practice thats important.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/22/24 02:24 PM
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freerange
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400 yards is a long way for an animal to run. A deer that is double lunged has a hard time going more than 100 or so yards. Even a liver shot deer usually will bed up fairly quick.
I don’t video my shots on deer, have no desire too, but I’ve learned that where you think the arrow hit and where it actually hit is often in two different spots.
If a deer was shot and went 400 yards and you bumped it, it was not shot in the vitals.
That said, they can thrash around for a long time. Doe I shot the other day crashed around for about 5 min. She only went 40 yards but she made a racket for a lot longer than I expected considering the shot. TxTro, it seems you are admitting that where you aim and where you hit and where you think you hit are sometimes at 3 completely different places. And yet you "have no desire to video my shots". I have no issue with a person not wanting to video their shots but surely you will admit it can aid in recovering the deer. You seem to be a respected bow hunter on here so try to help me out with educating the less experienced.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: freerange]
#9125766
10/22/24 03:10 PM
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Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,191
txtrophy85
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400 yards is a long way for an animal to run. A deer that is double lunged has a hard time going more than 100 or so yards. Even a liver shot deer usually will bed up fairly quick.
I don’t video my shots on deer, have no desire too, but I’ve learned that where you think the arrow hit and where it actually hit is often in two different spots.
If a deer was shot and went 400 yards and you bumped it, it was not shot in the vitals.
That said, they can thrash around for a long time. Doe I shot the other day crashed around for about 5 min. She only went 40 yards but she made a racket for a lot longer than I expected considering the shot. TxTro, it seems you are admitting that where you aim and where you hit and where you think you hit are sometimes at 3 completely different places. And yet you "have no desire to video my shots". I have no issue with a person not wanting to video their shots but surely you will admit it can aid in recovering the deer. You seem to be a respected bow hunter on here so try to help me out with educating the less experienced. What I’m saying is where you think you see the arrow hitting and where it actually hits can be different. I’ve shot some deer and thought “wow that didn’t look right” and when I get to the animal find out the shot was where I was aiming. The opposite can also happen of course. If a person wants to video their shot, more power to them, it’s not gonna hurt anything if the phone or camera is attached to the riser. I just personally don’t want to do it, nor am I gonna recommend to others they do it, as I believe we need less crutches and technology in the field, not more.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/22/24 03:36 PM
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Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 9,577
freerange
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400 yards is a long way for an animal to run. A deer that is double lunged has a hard time going more than 100 or so yards. Even a liver shot deer usually will bed up fairly quick.
I don’t video my shots on deer, have no desire too, but I’ve learned that where you think the arrow hit and where it actually hit is often in two different spots.
If a deer was shot and went 400 yards and you bumped it, it was not shot in the vitals.
That said, they can thrash around for a long time. Doe I shot the other day crashed around for about 5 min. She only went 40 yards but she made a racket for a lot longer than I expected considering the shot. TxTro, it seems you are admitting that where you aim and where you hit and where you think you hit are sometimes at 3 completely different places. And yet you "have no desire to video my shots". I have no issue with a person not wanting to video their shots but surely you will admit it can aid in recovering the deer. You seem to be a respected bow hunter on here so try to help me out with educating the less experienced. What I’m saying is where you think you see the arrow hitting and where it actually hits can be different. I’ve shot some deer and thought “wow that didn’t look right” and when I get to the animal find out the shot was where I was aiming. The opposite can also happen of course. If a person wants to video their shot, more power to them, it’s not gonna hurt anything if the phone or camera is attached to the riser. I just personally don’t want to do it, nor am I gonna recommend to others they do it, as I believe we need less crutches and technology in the field, not more. Generally speaking, I hear ya on the tech and "crutches". Especially as it pertains to prior to the shot. But once the shot is made I dont have many qualms about doing whatever helps to recover the animal. My feelings may be skewed because we hunt real big deer, pay a lot to do it, put a whole lot of work in, and sometimes go years between shots. Once we do shoot, all hunters and LO expect a max effort to recover the animal which includes video.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: lubbockdave]
#9125780
10/22/24 03:42 PM
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Joined: Aug 2005
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txtrophy85
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I think it goes without saying that everyone should give a max effort to recover the animal regardless of size. I hunt real big animals too and spend a lot of money doing it. I have never felt that a video of me shooting the animal was something that was necessary.
I’ve had other guys video my shots and I think it’s cool and fun to play back later. But I don’t think it’s a “must do” or a vital component to recovery. If anything it’s a technological novelty.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: lubbockdave]
#9125833
10/22/24 05:34 PM
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Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 4,461
10 Gauge
Extreme Tracker
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I think videos are cool, too. But you’re asking too much of the average hunter, especially a solo hunter, to record the shot. I have tried to record a couple of hunts. I ain’t there yet. My last couple hunts, i turned off my phone. “Screw that. I’m hunting.”
Joshua 1:9
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: lubbockdave]
#9125869
10/22/24 06:35 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,158
ChrisB
Veteran Tracker
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I've never got set up for videoing my hunts. Would be cool for reviewing were you hit. But what I have done is become an expert level tracker using the clues you get from each shot. Learning how to read a blood trail, reaction of the deer, distance traveled and arrow to know where the deer was hit and how to proceed. Many of these lessons were learned the hard way from mistakes. Knowing when to keep tracking and when to back out is very important.
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: lubbockdave]
#9125935
10/22/24 11:59 PM
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Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 4,461
10 Gauge
Extreme Tracker
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My best days are with no electronic technology to speak off except the LRF. Turn that phone off and forget about it. Don’t worry about making videos. There is so much happening in the woods that I miss when I pull that phone out. Even just to take a picture or record a short video. 99% of the time that I pull that darn thing out, I get busted by a wheezing deer that I can’t even see. Forget that.
If I hunted with a buddy and we filmed each other, that would change everything.
Joshua 1:9
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Re: I have questions...
[Re: lubbockdave]
#9126335
10/23/24 06:14 PM
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Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,417
Texas buckeye
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I will add simply that lighted nocks are the best tool for an archery hunter to know where their arrow hits a deer with definitive proof while sitting in the stand.
Hard to argue where the arrow went when you see the lighted trail go into the deer and most of the time out on the other side in the ground.
I have 100% certainty where my bolts hit a deer, pig, etc, based on the lighted nock. A very inexpensive investment that saves a lot stress for me.
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