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Re: AR Restrictions [Re: Texas452] #9114161 09/27/24 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas452
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How many deer do y'all see that their first set of horns are spikes only to follow the next year being a nice 6-8 pointer?



some years quite a few. if there is a hole in the AR regs, imo that's the one

Yep, allowing/encouraging the shooting of spikes is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Especially when it seems lumped in with the AR rule that is supposed to help deer get older before getting killed. No doubt in my mind the main reason they did it was to throw a bone to hunters to make the AR rule not sting so bad. Now that most like the AR rule then why not take away the stupid spike thing. They evidently wont ever admit the Kerr study about spikes was flawed.


I agree.
We let young spikes walk, especially in drought years.
The bigger bodied long horn spikes, we take out.


So you agree but then you shoot spikes? Is that for removal of mouths? What if the genetics of the big-bodied spike are such that he feeds his body before his antlers? Once he reaches maturity and no longer grows his body, he may have the biggest rack on your place. Does a spike with 8-10" long beams with a curve become a target over a really small 4pt (with less total bone) just because he didn't have a fork?

We're trying to split some mighty fine hairs, gents.


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Re: AR Restrictions [Re: DQ Kid] #9114206 09/27/24 04:27 PM
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I can honestly say that over the thousands of deer I’ve seen, I’ve only seen one spike that was older than a yearling.


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Re: AR Restrictions [Re: DQ Kid] #9114219 09/27/24 05:04 PM
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I’ve shot a few spikes that dressed 130+ pounds. I’m not a shoot them all kinda person but I’m not exactly in the they grow up to be normal camp either.


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Re: AR Restrictions [Re: DQ Kid] #9115001 09/29/24 03:24 PM
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The AR argument has been going on for years, and TPWD and I guess the public also likes AR's or they would have been changed a long time ago.
Maybe I am in a minority, but I've seen them work, and my opinion is if they don't work, why have they not been changed in all these years?
As mentioned many times it's not and never was about growing trophy deer, but to give those young bucks a chance to grow and breed to increase the population. Larger bucks is just the by product of allowing a young buck to reach maturity.
As for the argument of the narrow rack deer breeding and producing narrow racked deer, the answer is put in for MLD status so problem solved.
Or hunt in a county like maybe Bandera where there are no AR's.



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Re: AR Restrictions [Re: DQ Kid] #9116329 10/02/24 01:30 PM
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I still do not believe that it is growing more narrow racked bucks. Even if the narrow gene deer are living longer, the restrictions keep bucks with genetics for wider racks alive on average 1-2 years longer than they would be to do more breeding. Plus half of it is still up to the doe.

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