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Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: TurkeyHunter] #9106928 09/13/24 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
I've heard of people putting unwashed worn clothes in their stand, like ones you wore working outside, a few months before season. They would swap them out when refilling feeders or other visits. Never knew if it worked or not. The idea was to get the deer accustomed to a particular scent.


Have any of you ever heard of such?


My issue with that is that I've seen deer begin to purposely avoid an area where there is constantly human scent. i put a tripod up years ago right next to a trail. After 2-3 years, the deer would start taking a different trail about 50 yds north and come out again, back on the old trail, about 50 yards south. Even deer that hadn't been born when I put up the tripod took the different route. Coming north, with a south wind, they still took the new trail, which went through a bunch of brush instead of the nice open walkway of the old trail.

And unless you are refreshing the clothes very regularly, the deer are going to notice a sudden influx of a bunch of fresh, new scent.


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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100% hunt the wind. I’m a Bowhunter and don’t believe a product exists beside ozonics that can beat a deers nose.



This......except I don't believe in ozonics either. Play the wind, stay in the shade if possible.



Ozonics is pretty poor form. I can’t get behind its use.

Poor form? What do you mean exactly?


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Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: CCoile05] #9106994 09/13/24 02:25 PM
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Just as bright lights can blind our keen eyesight, I could see where a very strong odor could overwhelm the nose of an animal. Perhaps how the animal reacts to the odor is a better question. It's been often said not to use too much attraction scent. Otherwise, a more mature buck could be alarmed by the smell of a doe that's too strong and out of place to him.

The discussion also points to how best to handle the sounds we make while hunting. I remember reading the comments made by the author in one of the many old hunting books. Just to paraphrase, "Everything that moves in the woods creates sounds that animals can hear. As for hunter, the goal isn't to keep from making any sound but to keep from sounding like a human." I suspect scents are much the same way. Attraction scents should be no stronger than the normal scent of a doe or some food source. And human scent should be no more than what a deer might detect throughout any day. This points to one of the oldest tricks in the book. That is, hanging an old, sweaty shirt near a deer stand so that deer become accustomed to the scent when passing through the area.

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Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: ntxtrapper] #9107018 09/13/24 03:00 PM
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Why not flood your scent cone with a strong but familiar to them cover scent? It’s not expensive and I’ve been bow hunting that way for 40 years with great results. I always have two set ups for each location for either a north or south wind too.


This is my approach as well. Last week I made my last fill of the feeders and hung a scent wafer on the tree stand. Same wafer that's in a sealed box with my hunting clothes / boots right now.

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Wind. Nothing you can do to obscure your scent

Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: CCoile05] #9115112 09/29/24 09:13 PM
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Wind is your friend, use it to your advantage. Good luck up

Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: CCoile05] #9115123 09/29/24 09:44 PM
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If the wind is wrong then no amount of scent control will fool them 100% of the time. That means you can't count on it unless you're willing to risk getting busted. You can't be 100% scent free unless you hermetically seal yourself in a bubble.


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Maybe only during open season? Twice I've been sitting on my 4 wheeler, no breeze to speak of - 50 yds from does and they paid NO attention. First time was 5 PM and they would look at me every once in a while. Jeans and a Tee shirt. Had to holler at theses 2 so the hogs would come in.
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Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: CCoile05] #9115211 09/30/24 01:45 AM
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My answer is , no

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Depends on your goals. Meat in the freezer? No.


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Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: CCoile05] #9115254 09/30/24 09:26 AM
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YOU, need to be as scent free as possible, your clothes, your equipment, your bow, needs to be as scent free as possible. I’ve smelled a lot of people…and I ain’t a deer. With all good points being made, a lot comes down to THE
BUCK, he’s way, way smarter than his brothers, he can smell, hear, see, think, all at the highest level. He sends in his boys and girls first and watches them forever to make sure it’s safe, 10 additional noses are hard to fool. He’s spent his whole life with no restrictions, honing his nose for you…good luck.

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Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: CCoile05] #9116227 10/02/24 02:26 AM
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I think since COVID hit the hunting has gotten easier as the deer in my area all lost their sense of smell.

Actually though just like people, dogs etc. deer are a complex mammal and i expect there is high a degree of variability within the species as to how smart they are and how developed their senses are. Quite sure there some deer that are just plain dumb and others that are savy. Some will have better noses, eyes and ears than others. As they age i am sure their senses deteriorate just the same as ours and other species do. Only thing that works for sure is a steady wind in your face. Everything else is just an anecdotal role of the dice.

I believe pressure can make a big difference too. About 10 years ago i got permission to hunt a property that had not been hunted in over 50 years. The first year on that place was easy peasy. Literally walked with my bow to within 25 yards of a nice buck middle of the day in the middle of soya bean field. He just stood there looking at me. The next year was a little harder. By the third year it was like everywhere else. Anecdotal for sure as the sample size is small but never been able to walk up to a buck like that before or since. Only ever seen deer like that in "safe zones" like parks or inside city limits.


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Originally Posted by QuitShootinYoungBucks
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I've heard of people putting unwashed worn clothes in their stand, like ones you wore working outside, a few months before season. They would swap them out when refilling feeders or other visits. Never knew if it worked or not. The idea was to get the deer accustomed to a particular scent.


Have any of you ever heard of such?


My issue with that is that I've seen deer begin to purposely avoid an area where there is constantly human scent. i put a tripod up years ago right next to a trail. After 2-3 years, the deer would start taking a different trail about 50 yds north and come out again, back on the old trail, about 50 yards south. Even deer that hadn't been born when I put up the tripod took the different route. Coming north, with a south wind, they still took the new trail, which went through a bunch of brush instead of the nice open walkway of the old trail.

And unless you are refreshing the clothes very regularly, the deer are going to notice a sudden influx of a bunch of fresh, new scent.


Don't know about deer but bear hunting my anecdotal experience is that whoever was maintaining the bait site typically sees more bears with the theory being the bears are more used to that person's sent. And bears have a significantly better nose than hounds or deer.

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Re: Is scent control necessary [Re: CCoile05] #9116264 10/02/24 03:25 AM
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I was a fanatical bow hunter for years before I owned a deer rifle. I was taking scent control to extremes. Brushing my teeth with baking g soda. Taking chlorophyll tablets. Washing my cloths in unscented soap. Wearing hip boots on my walk to put up treestands. I tried all kinds of cover scents.

I had some phone conversations a well known deer/wildlife biologist. The way he explained it to me. We humans smell a hamburger. It has a distinctive smell to us. A dog does not smell a hamburger. It smells the meat, the lettuce, the tomatoe, the onion, the mustard, and the bread. All individualy. A deer has over 100 more receptors than a dog. Cover scents will not cover your scent. Deer will just smell your scent and the cover scent.

The best approach is to enter your stand from downwind. Not walk through your hunting area. And have your stand downwind from your target. Of course individual deer and a deer herd can react differently to human scent for a multitude of reasons. Extreme examples to that would be heavily pressured and poached deer on a crowded public hunting area vs a private ranch where deer are hand fed daily. Deer in those two examples are going to react to human scent very differently.

I don't worry about scent control that much these days other than choosing a stand location that places me downwind. The lease i am on at this moment I have three stand locations, each with more than one stand to choose from for different wind directions and weather.

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Originally Posted by Sniper John
I was a fanatical bow hunter for years before I owned a deer rifle. I was taking scent control to extremes. Brushing my teeth with baking g soda. Taking chlorophyll tablets. Washing my cloths in unscented soap. Wearing hip boots on my walk to put up treestands. I tried all kinds of cover scents.

I had some phone conversations a well known deer/wildlife biologist. The way he explained it to me. We humans smell a hamburger. It has a distinctive smell to us. A dog does not smell a hamburger. It smells the meat, the lettuce, the tomatoe, the onion, the mustard, and the bread. All individualy. A deer has over 100 more receptors than a dog. Cover scents will not cover your scent. Deer will just smell your scent and the cover scent.

The best approach is to enter your stand from downwind. Not walk through your hunting area. And have your stand downwind from your target. Of course individual deer and a deer herd can react differently to human scent for a multitude of reasons. Extreme examples to that would be heavily pressured and poached deer on a crowded public hunting area vs a private ranch where deer are hand fed daily. Deer in those two examples are going to react to human scent very differently.

I don't worry about scent control that much these days other than choosing a stand location that places me downwind. The lease i am on at this moment I have three stand locations, each with more than one stand to choose from for different wind directions and weather.

This is probably one of the better explanations I've seen on this subject. Scent control is an oxymoron, because it's impossible to control your scent when it comes to a deer's nose. The only way to do it is to hunt the wind or hunt deer that don't spook at the slightest human scent.


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Originally Posted by Sniper John
I was a fanatical bow hunter for years before I owned a deer rifle. I was taking scent control to extremes. Brushing my teeth with baking g soda. Taking chlorophyll tablets. Washing my cloths in unscented soap. Wearing hip boots on my walk to put up treestands. I tried all kinds of cover scents.

I had some phone conversations a well known deer/wildlife biologist. The way he explained it to me. We humans smell a hamburger. It has a distinctive smell to us. A dog does not smell a hamburger. It smells the meat, the lettuce, the tomatoe, the onion, the mustard, and the bread. All individualy. A deer has over 100 more receptors than a dog. Cover scents will not cover your scent. Deer will just smell your scent and the cover scent.

The best approach is to enter your stand from downwind. Not walk through your hunting area. And have your stand downwind from your target. Of course individual deer and a deer herd can react differently to human scent for a multitude of reasons. Extreme examples to that would be heavily pressured and poached deer on a crowded public hunting area vs a private ranch where deer are hand fed daily. Deer in those two examples are going to react to human scent very differently.

I don't worry about scent control that much these days other than choosing a stand location that places me downwind. The lease i am on at this moment I have three stand locations, each with more than one stand to choose from for different wind directions and weather.


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My experience as well (50 yrs of traditional bow-hunting).

You can NOT 'cover' your scent. You CAN take measures to be sure you are as clean as possible and reduce the 'amount' of 'strong' scent.

As alluded to above....how a deer might react to your scent is anyone's guess. It depends largely on the situation.

But one thing is certain with respect to how a deer will interpret human scent.

Strong Scent: A person is currently nearby OR has recently passed through.

Weak/Old Scent: A person is not nearby or has passed through long ago.

It is always in your best interest to go into the field reasonably clean and leaving behind as little scent as you can (within reason).

Deer not only smell you when you are in the field, but where you've been after you've left. Play the wind, consider how/where to approach your hunting area and how to leave. Deer will pattern YOU long before you pattern them otherwise.

One last thing. IF buying and using cover scent products makes you 'feel' better about your chances afield, knock yourself out, but don't be fooled into thinking a deer can not detect and separate your human scent.


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During the rut, I've noticed that bucks are way less spooky. I've also noticed that the does that live on my property are not bothered by my scent at all... maybe they are used to it??...

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No...Whether your scent spooks them or not, they still smell you and playing the wind, breeze, or thermals is your best friend.
I always like a slight breeze that rustles the leaves which masks your sound of drawing your bow......Dead calm is almost impossible to draw on a deer that is wound up and wary.
If you have an old grey flop eared momma doe that comes in she will circle around downwind of the other deer and then start blowing and stomping and alert every deer within a quarter mile that is time to boogie.....Nothing is going to fool that does nose!



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I will say there is one thing you can do to add to your advantage. GET UP! Let me repeat that GET UP! If you are ground level, 50 feet from your target, your scent is very strong..along with all your weird scented gear. Even very, very light breeze with wisk your scent up and away if your 10 to 12 feet in the air. And the deer are handicapped, by their natural tendency not to look up. They might get an odd scent; but they can’t figure it out. Also, the blind itself, if made right will have its own scent. It’s been there all year and they are used to it. Your scent will not escape it as easy, you open that small sliver of a window, and your scent will be somewhat protected, as it has to cross his nose through that opening. With that said, Old Mossback will hear you turn the latch on the door at 6:00am, because he’s that smart.

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