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 Should I buy a Leupold?
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07/12/24 02:09 AM
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The Mark 4 thread got me looking. I’ve been a Leupold hater recently due to their cheaper early run of CDS system failures.
Midway still has the old Mark 4s available. Looking hard at the 4.5-14x50 with M5 turrets.
It has the features and power range I want. Front focal plane, TMR reticle, mil turrets and only 21 ounces. Price is $1000. I’m thinking it would be nice on my Tikka CTR 308. I love the weight and the TMR reticle is a great reticle.
It’s an older model but the Mark 4s have seen military use and I personally have seen the scope work great on a friends SCAR 17 for 5 years and still going. SCARs are known scope destroyers. Another friend has one on a Barret 50 cal.
I think I talked myself in to it unless someone can talk me out of it,
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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07/12/24 02:27 AM
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You might do okay. You might be sorry.
I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool Leupold guy, but when I saw that "live" thing they did seven or eight years ago, where they had a couple of flat-billed cap wearing corksoakers denying all the complaints Leupold owners had concerning tracking and RTZ, I decided to exit, stage left. There are too many scopes out there that track reasonably well (I'm not talking about dialing to make 852-yard shots, I just want turrets that function more or less properly) and have decent glass and appealing reticle choices.
To me that felt a lot like Leupold was pissing on my leg and telling me it was raining. Thanks, but no thanks.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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07/12/24 12:15 PM
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I’m with RiverRider on this. As a set and forget hunting scope the VX-5 is great. My last letdown on dialing was a Mk-5. They replaced the erector then stated there was nothing wrong with it to start with. Then why did you replace it? The older Mk-4 had tracking issues they claimed they fixed in the Mk-5. I think they went from one spring to two. Weak springs, the reason for the Leupold tap after dialing. I’m sure most of them are good, but a failure rate of even 2% sounds like a gamble to me.
I did jump way up the scale to ZCO but it’s not necessary to get a reliable scope.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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07/12/24 12:36 PM
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No you should not.
Night Force NX8, you should.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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07/12/24 01:00 PM
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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07/12/24 01:19 PM
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I'm assuming your talking about this scope below. That is their older style turrets. It has all the desired features for a good tactical/hunting rig. It's mil, FFP and I do like their TMR reticle. The turrets are ok, but a little mushy and spin easy. So, if you are hunting with it, you'll have to keep an eye on the turret to make sure it has not spun and dialed you off zero. It's on clearance, so it's not a bad deal. I only have one Leupold scope, and it's a VX-7 (when they made them) and I like it a lot. I have it on a hunting rifle and It has collapsible turrets, which lock the turrets from spinning. I have no complaints on it. And as a lot of shooters say, "the glass is great!" https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1362369641?pid=484450
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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07/12/24 01:34 PM
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I'm assuming your talking about this scope below. That is their older style turrets. It has all the desired features for a good tactical/hunting rig. It's mil, FFP and I do like their TMR reticle. The turrets are ok, but a little mushy and spin easy. So, if you are hunting with it, you'll have to keep an eye on the turret to make sure it has not spun and dialed you off zero. It's on clearance, so it's not a bad deal. I only have one Leupold scope, and it's a VX-7 (when they made them) and I like it a lot. I have it on a hunting rifle and It has collapsible turrets, which lock the turrets from spinning. I have no complaints on it. And as a lot of shooters say, "the glass is great!" https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1362369641?pid=484450That is the one I’m talking about. The combo of weight, features and price are really tempting. At 21 ounces, nothing else is close. I appreciate everyone’s feedback, there are more people advising me against than I thought there would be but Leupold has been rather spotty lately. I know Jason has seen a lot of Leupolds with issues.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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07/12/24 04:39 PM
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Yes, in the last few years I've had rifles left with me wearing Leupolds. I don't have memory of a single one tracking properly to 800 yards. I zero everything at 100. Plug in the hand loaded ammo parameters, in the ballistic calculator then go prove or disprove it to the end of the rifle range. No Leupold has made an "A" grade that I can recall. I'll allow a scope to be off a 1/4 MOA or 1/10 Mil here or there. But Leupold's errors have been much larger than that.
Vortex
Swarovski
Zeiss
Leupold
All in the same category with me. I won't own their rifle scopes. I do own a Swarovski spotting scope though.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 01:57 PM
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 02:08 PM
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LOL. I am shocked the Leupold defenders never showed up on this thread. Full disclosure, I did buy it.  I knew the risks, hopefully it works out for me.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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08/23/24 02:34 PM
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Over the years Ive gone from a pretty die hard Zeiss guy... to an almost exclusively Leupold guy... to recently back to being a Zeiss guy...
At full retail price point, I think there are better options out there right now than the mid to high line Leupolds for the same amount of money...
That said, if youre eligible for their VIP program (public servant, active military, veteran, or shooting/hunting industry professional).. you can get most of their stuff for about 40% off of MSRP when you buy direct from Leupold.. which is roughly dealer (wholesale) price...
At the VIP price point, the VX3, VX5, VX6, etc lines are seriously good values..
That said.. if you belong to one of the discount groups like guidefitter (similar to leupold VIP.. if youre a public servant, mil, vet, industry, etc youre probably eligible).. there are some screaming good deals on swarovski, steiner, maven, and others...
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 02:38 PM
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I think the “majority” of the Leopold Defenders on here are out putting corn in their feeders or working.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 03:11 PM
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I love that reticle, best I've seen for a FFP scope.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: mdwest]
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08/23/24 03:39 PM
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Over the years Ive gone from a pretty die hard Zeiss guy... to an almost exclusively Leupold guy... to recently back to being a Zeiss guy...
At full retail price point, I think there are better options out there right now than the mid to high line Leupolds for the same amount of money...
That said, if youre eligible for their VIP program (public servant, active military, veteran, or shooting/hunting industry professional).. you can get most of their stuff for about 40% off of MSRP when you buy direct from Leupold.. which is roughly dealer (wholesale) price...
At the VIP price point, the VX3, VX5, VX6, etc lines are seriously good values..
That said.. if you belong to one of the discount groups like guidefitter (similar to leupold VIP.. if youre a public servant, mil, vet, industry, etc youre probably eligible).. there are some screaming good deals on swarovski, steiner, maven, and others... You can get Night Force at a discount through those same sources. That's if you want a scope that's easy to get zeroed, since it tracks. And if you want a scope you plan on dialing for elevation.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: Huntmaster]
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08/23/24 03:39 PM
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I think the “majority” of the Leopold Defenders on here are out putting corn in their feeders or working. Not too difficult to kill a whitetail at 100 yards. Lots of them have been killed with iron sights.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 03:59 PM
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I have a V-X 6 on my .300.
Love the scope, and it does have adjustable turrets, but I have a max hunting range if 400 yards and I’ll holdover on that.
Will test the turrets here in the next month.
Can’t speak to how well they track. Can speak to how clear the glass is.
Partner shoots the HD 6 and had killed multiple sheep with the dial including a Marco Polo at 676 yards.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 05:06 PM
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I've dialed my Leupold VX5-HD Hundreds of times, literally. Once about 9 different ranges and 45 shots over a couple of hours, nailed everything. I've dialed it and killed coyotes at 550, 370, 330, many more. Pigs, killed a dozen or more dialing out to 450 yards. Deer, only one that I used my dial on and that was 420 yards. Without using the dial on the same scope............I've lost count of everything I've killed with it. I have another one on a different rifle, two years now, same results.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 05:22 PM
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Will never own another luppy again after this year. Having to look down the side of barrel to kill a bear is BS. They had three chances and 2/3 failures isn’t great odds Night force and March Impact test their scopes. Certain Maven scopes have survived third party impact testing. Ironically Leupold normally fails 3rd testing, not always but it does. I saw impact testing on mark 4 the other day that looked promising. If your scope manufacturer only recommends 18lbs of torque, why. Is the scope tube too thin? All things mechanical fail, the rate of failure is not a guarantee of failure just a probability. I hope no one’s scope fails. Odds are if you careful it won’t, but accidents do happen. I’ll admit I’m rough on stuff, and probably an exception to most cases
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 05:46 PM
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Will never own another luppy again after this year. Having to look down the side of barrel to kill a bear is BS. They had three chances and 2/3 failures isn’t great odds Night force and March Impact test their scopes. Certain Maven scopes have survived third party impact testing. Ironically Leupold normally fails 3rd testing, not always but it does. I saw impact testing on mark 4 the other day that looked promising. If your scope manufacturer only recommends 18lbs of torque, why. Is the scope tube too thin? All things mechanical fail, the rate of failure is not a guarantee of failure just a probability. I hope no one’s scope fails. Odds are if you careful it won’t, but accidents do happen. I’ll admit I’m rough on stuff, and probably an exception to most cases Where are you getting 18lbs? I thought it was 28?
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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08/23/24 06:02 PM
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Will never own another luppy again after this year. Having to look down the side of barrel to kill a bear is BS. They had three chances and 2/3 failures isn’t great odds Night force and March Impact test their scopes. Certain Maven scopes have survived third party impact testing. Ironically Leupold normally fails 3rd testing, not always but it does. I saw impact testing on mark 4 the other day that looked promising. If your scope manufacturer only recommends 18lbs of torque, why. Is the scope tube too thin? All things mechanical fail, the rate of failure is not a guarantee of failure just a probability. I hope no one’s scope fails. Odds are if you careful it won’t, but accidents do happen. I’ll admit I’m rough on stuff, and probably an exception to most cases Where are you getting 18lbs? I thought it was 28? if “your”(as in a generality) scope company only recommends 18lbs, ask why. It wasn’t specific to a certain scope company.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 06:12 PM
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Will never own another luppy again after this year. Having to look down the side of barrel to kill a bear is BS. They had three chances and 2/3 failures isn’t great odds Night force and March Impact test their scopes. Certain Maven scopes have survived third party impact testing. Ironically Leupold normally fails 3rd testing, not always but it does. I saw impact testing on mark 4 the other day that looked promising. If your scope manufacturer only recommends 18lbs of torque, why. Is the scope tube too thin? All things mechanical fail, the rate of failure is not a guarantee of failure just a probability. I hope no one’s scope fails. Odds are if you careful it won’t, but accidents do happen. I’ll admit I’m rough on stuff, and probably an exception to most cases Where are you getting 18lbs? I thought it was 28? if “your”(as in a generality) scope company only recommends 18lbs, ask why. It wasn’t specific to a certain scope company. The subject is Leupold, and your post was referencing your Leupold. You have good reason to not recommend Leupold without inserting irrelevant data in the middle of your write up.
Last edited by onlysmith&wesson; 08/23/24 06:22 PM.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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08/23/24 06:35 PM
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Will never own another luppy again after this year. Having to look down the side of barrel to kill a bear is BS. They had three chances and 2/3 failures isn’t great odds Night force and March Impact test their scopes. Certain Maven scopes have survived third party impact testing. Ironically Leupold normally fails 3rd testing, not always but it does. I saw impact testing on mark 4 the other day that looked promising. If your scope manufacturer only recommends 18lbs of torque, why. Is the scope tube too thin? All things mechanical fail, the rate of failure is not a guarantee of failure just a probability. I hope no one’s scope fails. Odds are if you careful it won’t, but accidents do happen. I’ll admit I’m rough on stuff, and probably an exception to most cases Where are you getting 18lbs? I thought it was 28? if “your”(as in a generality) scope company only recommends 18lbs, ask why. It wasn’t specific to a certain scope company. The subject is Leupold, and your post was referencing your Leupold. You have good reason to not recommend Leupold without inserting irrelevant data in the middle of your write up. Not irrelevant, it’s a check list/ base line that an individual scope meets or doesn’t. He asked to be talked out so means he is open to exploring other options, I’m saying make sure it meets that simple base line. There are scopes skews with in individual MFG lines that don’t meet that, Again it’s a simple call to MFG to ask why.
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Re: Should I buy a Leupold?
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08/23/24 06:40 PM
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And a few others, like swaro. I was shocked talking to Swaro and they said 17” lbs. I’’m at over 2 months on their warranty now. Luppy was better and had new scope back to Me in a month.
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