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Re: Ever Used A Bass To Catch A Crappie? [Re: scalebuster] #9087379 08/06/24 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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There is no public access to Sqauw Creek. It is behind a gate. As we speak Squaw Creek is closed, Its only open from October till March

The whole lake was closed for about 10 years after 9/11. You pay Luminant employee to enter, they direct you when you can launch your boat, and they will make you leave the lake at a certain time. I have seen the not let you even put you boat in the water due to fog. I have also seen them not let you get on the lake for hours till the fog cleared.

Squaw Creek is a private lake by defention

https://www.luminant.com/squaw-creek-park/



You are confusing public waters, private waters and private land because of your lack of legal knowledge. Like I said, Squaw Creek is public access even though it's limited public access at times. because it's public access, the TP&W Code applies. I can do anything to bass in my pond because it's private waters. Prove I can't.


Dude, it's common knowledge you can do what you want on your own land, It's called a private lake according to TPWD.

I used to fish alot of Night Tournaments on Roberts years ago, I loaded my little pond up with 5 lb bass, and some big carp, and since it's private no rules.

Back to Squaw ,
Maybe the "Limited Public" access is why johnny law was there, I was kinda shocked to see him there, I have only fished the lake about 40 times and only after it opened back up, it was pretty fun, easily catch 100 bass per boat during early December.

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Originally Posted by flintknapper
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I can do anything to the aquatic life in it because I own it too.


I don't think so (legally).

Private waters do not require a 'license' and have no size or bag limits. But other restrictions still apply.

https://www.google.com/search?q=illegal+to+use+gamefish+for+bait+in+texas+even+in+private+pond&sca_esv=bae068b56816ad3f&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWILJMfwdTKs9DiFLIT--hcn4t-WW_g%3A1722967760192&ei=0GayZoOzC5-lptQP_LmPmAY&ved=0ahUKEwiD27iK--CHAxWfkokEHfzcA2MQ4dUDCBA&oq=illegal+to+use+gamefish+for+bait+in+texas+even+in+private+pond&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiPmlsbGVnYWwgdG8gdXNlIGdhbWVmaXNoIGZvciBiYWl0IGluIHRleGFzIGV2ZW4gaW4gcHJpdmF0ZSBwb25kSABQAFgAcAB4AZABAJgBAKABAKoBALgBDMgBAPgBAZgCAKACAJgDAJIHAKAHAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp


Yes, it is illegal to use game fish or any part of a game fish as bait in Texas, including in private ponds. Other bait regulations include:
Live fish, including those caught by the angler, cannot be transported from the body of water where they were caught.
Commercially purchased live bait can be used while fishing from a vessel if the angler has a receipt that shows the bait's source.
Only certain species of fish can be used as bait, such as goldfish, common carp, native shrimp, crabs, crawfish, and nongame fish. Non-native species are not permitted.
In some counties, such as Brewster, Crane, and Crockett, only certain fish can be used as bait, such as common carp, fathead minnows, gizzard shad, and sunfish.
Fish that are edible or can be used as bait, such as gar species, common carp, and buffalo, cannot be released back into the water after being caught with archery equipment.

Texas Parks and Wildlife
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There are several regulations that apply to bait: It is unlawful to use any game fish or p...

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That part in red exactly as you posted is not in any codified laws of the state that I know of. You just typed that in and made it red correct? Remember that the entire TP&W code related to aquatic life applies to the public waters of the state.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/...-regulations/general-fishing-regulations

Re: Ever Used A Bass To Catch A Crappie? [Re: scalebuster] #9087394 08/06/24 06:52 PM
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I don’t know if it is a law or not, but it would be some kind of stupid to make it illegal on private waters.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky
I don’t know if it is a law or not, but it would be some kind of stupid to make it illegal on private waters.


It’s not. People kill off everything in their ponds all the time and start over with the species of fish they want. TP&W employed folks will even tell you the best way to do it.

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Wait, cnn and msnbc call it "dis-information."

I'm sure they are wrong.

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Re: Ever Used A Bass To Catch A Crappie? [Re: ntxtrapper] #9087418 08/06/24 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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I don’t know if it is a law or not, but it would be some kind of stupid to make it illegal on private waters.


It’s not. People kill off everything in their ponds all the time and start over with the species of fish they want. TP&W employed folks will even tell you the best way to do it.


Exactly why it doesn’t make sense that you couldn’t use them for bait.

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Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson
No, but I caught one that could have been used as bait [Linked Image]
Trying to look all serious while my Dad was laughing his a-- off taking this pic


Been there.
First fish my Son caught was about a 24 inch, 4 pound, Blue Cat out of the pond on my family's property (he was probably 5 or 6). I took several pictures.
A couple minutes later I got a bite and it was a cat about the same size as what's in your pic. My Son insisted on a pic so he could show everyone and have a good laugh.
This was before cell phones, but I always kept a disposable camera in my truck

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everyone just fish with whatever you want wherever you want and let the chips fall.

Let the GW work it out.


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The fish in my tank are not owned by the state of Texas. They belong to me just like the cows. I can do whatever I want to with them as they are my property.

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Originally Posted by scalebuster
The fish in my tank are not owned by the state of Texas. They belong to me just like the cows. I can do whatever I want to with them as they are my property.


Yep. I knew this thread would trigger the city boyTFF bass fishermen who don’t even own rural land much less a pond/tank. I was right roflmao

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

I can do anything to the aquatic life in it because I own it too.


I don't think so (legally).

Private waters do not require a 'license' and have no size or bag limits. But other restrictions still apply.

https://www.google.com/search?q=illegal+to+use+gamefish+for+bait+in+texas+even+in+private+pond&sca_esv=bae068b56816ad3f&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWILJMfwdTKs9DiFLIT--hcn4t-WW_g%3A1722967760192&ei=0GayZoOzC5-lptQP_LmPmAY&ved=0ahUKEwiD27iK--CHAxWfkokEHfzcA2MQ4dUDCBA&oq=illegal+to+use+gamefish+for+bait+in+texas+even+in+private+pond&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiPmlsbGVnYWwgdG8gdXNlIGdhbWVmaXNoIGZvciBiYWl0IGluIHRleGFzIGV2ZW4gaW4gcHJpdmF0ZSBwb25kSABQAFgAcAB4AZABAJgBAKABAKoBALgBDMgBAPgBAZgCAKACAJgDAJIHAKAHAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp


Yes, it is illegal to use game fish or any part of a game fish as bait in Texas, including in private ponds. Other bait regulations include:
Live fish, including those caught by the angler, cannot be transported from the body of water where they were caught.
Commercially purchased live bait can be used while fishing from a vessel if the angler has a receipt that shows the bait's source.
Only certain species of fish can be used as bait, such as goldfish, common carp, native shrimp, crabs, crawfish, and nongame fish. Non-native species are not permitted.
In some counties, such as Brewster, Crane, and Crockett, only certain fish can be used as bait, such as common carp, fathead minnows, gizzard shad, and sunfish.
Fish that are edible or can be used as bait, such as gar species, common carp, and buffalo, cannot be released back into the water after being caught with archery equipment.

Texas Parks and Wildlife
General Fishing Regulations — Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
There are several regulations that apply to bait: It is unlawful to use any game fish or p...

Texas Parks and Wildlife
Legal Devices, Methods & Restrictions
Lawful archery equipment includes longbow, recurved bow, compound bow and crossbow. May be...

Texas Parks & Wildlife Department (.gov)
FAQ – FISHING - TPWD
A fishing license is required of any person who fishes in the public waters of Texas. See ...

Texas Parks & Wildlife Department (.gov)
Definitions - Fishing — Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
Something used to lure any wildlife resource. It is unlawful to use game fish or any part ...
the Texas Secretary of State
57.972 - Texas Administrative Code
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That part in red exactly as you posted is not in any codified laws of the state that I know of. You just typed that in and made it red correct? Remember that the entire TP&W code related to aquatic life applies to the public waters of the state.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/...-regulations/general-fishing-regulations



I did NOT type it in. It was copied and pasted just as found at the address....I provided. I can not say for certain if it is correct, just something I found while searching. You can choose to ignore it if you like. But without question...there are other binding/lawful restrictions that apply to private waters....so I would not be surprised if that one is also true.


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Originally Posted by flintknapper
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by flintknapper
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

I can do anything to the aquatic life in it because I own it too.


I don't think so (legally).

Private waters do not require a 'license' and have no size or bag limits. But other restrictions still apply.

https://www.google.com/search?q=illegal+to+use+gamefish+for+bait+in+texas+even+in+private+pond&sca_esv=bae068b56816ad3f&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWILJMfwdTKs9DiFLIT--hcn4t-WW_g%3A1722967760192&ei=0GayZoOzC5-lptQP_LmPmAY&ved=0ahUKEwiD27iK--CHAxWfkokEHfzcA2MQ4dUDCBA&oq=illegal+to+use+gamefish+for+bait+in+texas+even+in+private+pond&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiPmlsbGVnYWwgdG8gdXNlIGdhbWVmaXNoIGZvciBiYWl0IGluIHRleGFzIGV2ZW4gaW4gcHJpdmF0ZSBwb25kSABQAFgAcAB4AZABAJgBAKABAKoBALgBDMgBAPgBAZgCAKACAJgDAJIHAKAHAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp


Yes, it is illegal to use game fish or any part of a game fish as bait in Texas, including in private ponds. Other bait regulations include:
Live fish, including those caught by the angler, cannot be transported from the body of water where they were caught.
Commercially purchased live bait can be used while fishing from a vessel if the angler has a receipt that shows the bait's source.
Only certain species of fish can be used as bait, such as goldfish, common carp, native shrimp, crabs, crawfish, and nongame fish. Non-native species are not permitted.
In some counties, such as Brewster, Crane, and Crockett, only certain fish can be used as bait, such as common carp, fathead minnows, gizzard shad, and sunfish.
Fish that are edible or can be used as bait, such as gar species, common carp, and buffalo, cannot be released back into the water after being caught with archery equipment.

Texas Parks and Wildlife
General Fishing Regulations — Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
There are several regulations that apply to bait: It is unlawful to use any game fish or p...

Texas Parks and Wildlife
Legal Devices, Methods & Restrictions
Lawful archery equipment includes longbow, recurved bow, compound bow and crossbow. May be...

Texas Parks & Wildlife Department (.gov)
FAQ – FISHING - TPWD
A fishing license is required of any person who fishes in the public waters of Texas. See ...

Texas Parks & Wildlife Department (.gov)
Definitions - Fishing — Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
Something used to lure any wildlife resource. It is unlawful to use game fish or any part ...
the Texas Secretary of State
57.972 - Texas Administrative Code
(e) In Brewster, Crane, Crockett, Culberson, Ector, El Paso, Jeff Davis, Hudspeth, Kinney,

Facebook
Texas Parks and Wildlife - Which bait is invasive? You can't always tell by ...
phtml) It is also only permitted to use goldfish, common carp, or native shrimp, crabs, cr...
Generative AI is experimental. For legal advice, consult a professional.




That part in red exactly as you posted is not in any codified laws of the state that I know of. You just typed that in and made it red correct? Remember that the entire TP&W code related to aquatic life applies to the public waters of the state.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/...-regulations/general-fishing-regulations



I did NOT type it in. It was copied and pasted just as found at the address....I provided. I can not say for certain if it is correct, just something I found while searching. You can choose to ignore it if you like. But without question...there are other binding/lawful restrictions that apply to private waters....so I would not be surprised if that one is also true.



I don’t know what source you copied and pasted it from but it’s not from the codified laws of the state of Texas.

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I have not looked it up so do not know, but know that google ai responses are often very wrong when answering questions about regulations. For example I have seen it take info from other state's regulations for the answer to a Texas hunting regulation. More recently it has also been falsely giving community lakes regulations when giving answers about general state regulations. I had a couple people recently quote a google AI answer to tell me I am illegally fishing on Lake Fork because I had more than two fishing rods out. Never trust that AI answer at the top of your search if it provides it. Also the outdoor annual being just a summary of various state and federal rules and regs is sometimes not exactly right or missing context if you look up the same info in the actual TPWD or Federal Code.

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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
everyone just fish with whatever you want wherever you want and let the chips fall.

Let the GW work it out.


one of y'all is getting tased when you bow up to the lawman.
Be sure and video the conversation for all of our delight popcorn

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

I don’t know what source you copied and pasted it from but it’s not from the codified laws of the state of Texas.


I sent the question directly to the Texas Parks and Wildlife dept.

Hopefully get a definitive answer (if they answer at all). IF they do....I will share it here.

I don't intend to use any game fish for bait in my own stocked pond....but I am curious what the answer is.



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Originally Posted by flintknapper
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

I don’t know what source you copied and pasted it from but it’s not from the codified laws of the state of Texas.


I sent the question directly to the Texas Parks and Wildlife dept.

Hopefully get a definitive answer (if they answer at all). IF they do....I will share it here.

I don't intend to use any game fish for bait in my own stocked pond....but I am curious what the answer is.



If the clerk who responds tells you anything except that fish in a private pond are aquatic life that’s owned by the landowner, and are not subject to the statutes in the parks and wildlife code, then don’t believe anything else that person tells you either.

Here’s a guide how to kill everything in a private pond from TP&W. If I can kill every living thing in the pond, do you actually think that it could be illegal to use one of them as bait?

“Usually a pond with an undesir-
able fish population offers only fair to poor fishing. To
restore good fishing, the owner can either drain the pond,
or use a fish toxicant such as rotenone to kill the fish,
and restock with desirable fishes.”

https://extension.rwfm.tamu.edu/wp-...one-Its-Uses-in-Fisheries-Management.pdf

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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
That would be illegal.

Illegal in Texas but not Oklahoma.

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Closest I could find to the subject matter. It appears you can do whatever the heck you want fishing on your own self contained body of water on your property, fishing game laws do not apply! (Hunting laws do)

https://tpwd.texas.gov/landwater/land/habitats/faq/law_enforcement/fish1.phtml

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Do I need a fishing license to fish on my private pond?
As long as your pond is self contained, not a result of damming a public stream or subject to over-flow from public water whereby your private pond would be stocked from time to time by surrounding public water, then you do not need a fishing license and no size or bag limits apply.


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I never knew there were so many busybodies on the forum. Good grief. If you got a problem with what a man does in his own pond, you must really hate freedom.


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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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There is no public access to Sqauw Creek. It is behind a gate. As we speak Squaw Creek is closed, Its only open from October till March

The whole lake was closed for about 10 years after 9/11. You pay Luminant employee to enter, they direct you when you can launch your boat, and they will make you leave the lake at a certain time. I have seen the not let you even put you boat in the water due to fog. I have also seen them not let you get on the lake for hours till the fog cleared.

Squaw Creek is a private lake by defention

https://www.luminant.com/squaw-creek-park/



You are confusing public waters, private waters and private land because of your lack of legal knowledge. Like I said, Squaw Creek is public access even though it's limited public access at times. because it's public access, the TP&W Code applies. I can do anything to bass in my pond because it's private waters. Prove I can't.


Squaw Creek is not public access nor does it have limited public acess, it is 100% private owned. Just like Camelot Bell lakes where you pay like $1000 to fish the lake, no difference

Squaw Creek was built to produce electricity, You must make a reservation and or your pay $30 at the gaurd gate to enter, it is locked most of time, during operation there is always someone there, again there is zero public access.

I look at it from a legal viewpoint, you only see it thru a law enforcement viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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I don’t know what source you copied and pasted it from but it’s not from the codified laws of the state of Texas.


I sent the question directly to the Texas Parks and Wildlife dept.

Hopefully get a definitive answer (if they answer at all). IF they do....I will share it here.

I don't intend to use any game fish for bait in my own stocked pond....but I am curious what the answer is.



If the clerk who responds tells you anything except that fish in a private pond are aquatic life that’s owned by the landowner, and are not subject to the statutes in the parks and wildlife code, then don’t believe anything else that person tells you either.

Here’s a guide how to kill everything in a private pond from TP&W. If I can kill every living thing in the pond, do you actually think that it could be illegal to use one of them as bait?

“Usually a pond with an undesir-
able fish population offers only fair to poor fishing. To
restore good fishing, the owner can either drain the pond,
or use a fish toxicant such as rotenone to kill the fish,
and restock with desirable fishes.”

https://extension.rwfm.tamu.edu/wp-...one-Its-Uses-in-Fisheries-Management.pdf



I'm well aware of pond maintenance practices and have used rotenone in farm ponds to completely kill off the fish population. That has nothing to do with other possible restrictions. You can catch every fish in your pond and just throw them out on the bank to die. Not arguing that. But that doesn't necessarily mean other restrictions don't apply.

Perhaps being ex LEO you recognize that many laws in the State don't 'make sense' but are nonetheless the law. So let's just wait and see what they say about it. I can absolutely see a law that conflicts with sensibility. And as long time landowner with my own stocked and managed pond...I am interested to know the answer. Not that I want to use a game fish as bait....but to know what the limits (if any) are with respect to my using the pond and the fish in any manner I wish.


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My take would be private property private pond you own the fish, then of using game fish as bait does not apply.


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Originally Posted by redchevy
My take would be private property private pond you own the fish, then of using game fish as bait does not apply.


Could well be. But My take or your 'take' on it doesn't really matter. IF there is a law against it....then that is what counts.

I readily agree common sense should dictate the owner of the fish be able to do with them what they please.

On the other hand, someone mentioned 'Cattle' (they own). I can tell you for certain there are animal cruelty laws that apply to livestock, wildlife and pets....even though you own them. So 'ownership' by itself might not be the deciding factor here. There are a plethora of laws that apply to the animals we 'own'.

Let's just wait and see IF they answer my question.

I wouldn't bother asking a local GW....as they are not always 'up' on every legal aspect of the job they do.

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