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Re: Trump shot! [Re: KRoyal] #9081462 07/25/24 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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Kyle, The majority of commercial structures I have been to, have a locked security cage at the bottom of a roof access ladder. It’s to keep burglars off the roof as well as dumb kids from trying to climb up it and getting hurt.

I agree, I'm just saying to me it would be easier to climb over the security cage and up the ladder than using an AC unit and shimmying my way on exposed pipes to gain roof access.



I was standing by this when I read this. Very much so for display and rules only. Not an actual physical barrier.

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Kyle, The majority of commercial structures I have been to, have a locked security cage at the bottom of a roof access ladder. It’s to keep burglars off the roof as well as dumb kids from trying to climb up it and getting hurt.

I agree, I'm just saying to me it would be easier to climb over the security cage and up the ladder than using an AC unit and shimmying my way on exposed pipes to gain roof access.



I was standing by this when I read this. Very much so for display and rules only. Not an actual physical barrier.

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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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Kyle, The majority of commercial structures I have been to, have a locked security cage at the bottom of a roof access ladder. It’s to keep burglars off the roof as well as dumb kids from trying to climb up it and getting hurt.

I agree, I'm just saying to me it would be easier to climb over the security cage and up the ladder than using an AC unit and shimmying my way on exposed pipes to gain roof access.



I was standing by this when I read this. Very much so for display and rules only. Not an actual physical barrier.

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Re: Trump shot! [Re: Guy] #9081509 07/25/24 05:17 PM
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I answered alarm calls at businesses and would have to check the roof if there was an open ladder. The cages I would see on most of them were the tube type that were 10-15 feet tall and weren’t anything I wanted to climb. The people who actually have access to it rather than an aerial pic or two think the hvac system was his likely point of access so there’s that too.

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I don't really see the relevance of how he got on the roof, he planned the assassination, and apparently planned to detonate some explosives, and the twenty-year-old nobody almost pulled it off, with poor equipment. I would state what I believe he planned on doing with the explosives, but don't want to put any ideas out there, suffice it to say, the assassin probably had several plans he was maybe unable to implement.



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Re: Trump shot! [Re: Guy] #9081558 07/25/24 06:39 PM
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene.



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Originally Posted by Concho
Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene.


He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet.


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Re: Trump shot! [Re: Texas Dan] #9081638 07/25/24 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene.


He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet.



Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged.

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I am just gonna leave these here. 20 year experiment on mind control, started in 1953. I don’t doubt for a second whether advancements have been made since, or if the USA or other countries are still playing around with mind control experiments.


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I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?

Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...

Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well...


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Originally Posted by missingAK
I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?

Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...

Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well...

How many shots did you hear?

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Originally Posted by missingAK
I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?

Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...

Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well...


Not sure I follow you? IF there were 8 shell casings found on the roof (they would be scattered apart) then it would suggest that the shooter alone was responsible for the incident (acted alone).

Sounds like Wray simply misspoke (referring to a shell casing as a cartridge). Yes, there is a distinct difference.... but people call a 'Magazine' a 'Clip' all the time and we know what they meant.

There likely would not have been ANY casings near the body IF the rifle were held normally. The spent casings would normally be ejected 3'-6' to the right and slightly to the rear of the ejection port (possibly slightly less from a prone position). Then account for the slight slope of the roof and there shouldn't be any casings very close to the shooter.

Loose cartridges (not in a magazine) near the body doesn't make much sense either.

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Originally Posted by Concho
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene.


He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet.



Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged.


Although it is certainly understandable, it is unfortunate the shooter was killed because there are many questions that only he can answer.

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Originally Posted by Choctaw
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene.


He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet.



Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged.


Although it is certainly understandable, it is unfortunate the shooter was killed because there are many questions that only he can answer.


That was probably the plan all along.

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"That was probably the plan all along." Neutralizing a threat does not equivalate to a conspiracy.

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This was a state sanctioned assassination, scheduled in broad daylight on national television. If they are willing to do this, I'm guessing that could also release a virus, rig an election, and force a sterilization vaccine on the world. And we all just sit here and watch.

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Originally Posted by Choctaw
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene.


He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet.



Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged.


Although it is certainly understandable, it is unfortunate the shooter was killed because there are many questions that only he can answer.


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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?

Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...

Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well...

How many shots did you hear?

I heard 10 I think. 8 from the crazy kid and 2 from snipers. If they found 8 casings from his gun, it seems pretty straight forward. It was just a colossal failure on the part of the SS. If they didn't, there was another shooter. Just seemed odd to me that Wray would use a term that any shooter would recognize as an obvious problem. Here's an interesting video analysis:


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