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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: KRoyal]
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07/25/24 03:41 PM
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wp75169
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Kyle, The majority of commercial structures I have been to, have a locked security cage at the bottom of a roof access ladder. It’s to keep burglars off the roof as well as dumb kids from trying to climb up it and getting hurt. I agree, I'm just saying to me it would be easier to climb over the security cage and up the ladder than using an AC unit and shimmying my way on exposed pipes to gain roof access. I was standing by this when I read this. Very much so for display and rules only. Not an actual physical barrier.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/25/24 03:43 PM
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wp75169
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: wp75169]
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07/25/24 04:35 PM
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KRoyal
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Kyle, The majority of commercial structures I have been to, have a locked security cage at the bottom of a roof access ladder. It’s to keep burglars off the roof as well as dumb kids from trying to climb up it and getting hurt. I agree, I'm just saying to me it would be easier to climb over the security cage and up the ladder than using an AC unit and shimmying my way on exposed pipes to gain roof access. I was standing by this when I read this. Very much so for display and rules only. Not an actual physical barrier. Exactly!
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: KRoyal]
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07/25/24 05:13 PM
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Kyle, The majority of commercial structures I have been to, have a locked security cage at the bottom of a roof access ladder. It’s to keep burglars off the roof as well as dumb kids from trying to climb up it and getting hurt. I agree, I'm just saying to me it would be easier to climb over the security cage and up the ladder than using an AC unit and shimmying my way on exposed pipes to gain roof access. I was standing by this when I read this. Very much so for display and rules only. Not an actual physical barrier. Exactly! Nothing more then meeting the minimum there for CYA’ with insurance company
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/25/24 05:17 PM
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I think even I could scramble my 320 pounds of bacon pork fat back up that one
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/25/24 05:58 PM
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I answered alarm calls at businesses and would have to check the roof if there was an open ladder. The cages I would see on most of them were the tube type that were 10-15 feet tall and weren’t anything I wanted to climb. The people who actually have access to it rather than an aerial pic or two think the hvac system was his likely point of access so there’s that too.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/25/24 06:25 PM
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I don't really see the relevance of how he got on the roof, he planned the assassination, and apparently planned to detonate some explosives, and the twenty-year-old nobody almost pulled it off, with poor equipment. I would state what I believe he planned on doing with the explosives, but don't want to put any ideas out there, suffice it to say, the assassin probably had several plans he was maybe unable to implement.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/25/24 06:37 PM
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/25/24 06:39 PM
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Concho]
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07/25/24 09:16 PM
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene. He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/25/24 09:38 PM
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Texas Dan]
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07/25/24 09:44 PM
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene. He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet. Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/26/24 07:57 AM
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I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?
Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...
Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well...
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Winston Churchill
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: missingAK]
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07/26/24 11:56 AM
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I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?
Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...
Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well... How many shots did you hear?
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/26/24 12:19 PM
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Conspiracy guys watch this.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/26/24 12:24 PM
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the difference between a conspiracy and a fact is about 6 months.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: missingAK]
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07/26/24 12:26 PM
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I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?
Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...
Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well... Not sure I follow you? IF there were 8 shell casings found on the roof (they would be scattered apart) then it would suggest that the shooter alone was responsible for the incident (acted alone). Sounds like Wray simply misspoke (referring to a shell casing as a cartridge). Yes, there is a distinct difference.... but people call a 'Magazine' a 'Clip' all the time and we know what they meant. There likely would not have been ANY casings near the body IF the rifle were held normally. The spent casings would normally be ejected 3'-6' to the right and slightly to the rear of the ejection port (possibly slightly less from a prone position). Then account for the slight slope of the roof and there shouldn't be any casings very close to the shooter. Loose cartridges (not in a magazine) near the body doesn't make much sense either.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Concho]
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07/26/24 12:47 PM
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene. He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet. Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged. Although it is certainly understandable, it is unfortunate the shooter was killed because there are many questions that only he can answer.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Choctaw]
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07/26/24 01:25 PM
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene. He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet. Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged. Although it is certainly understandable, it is unfortunate the shooter was killed because there are many questions that only he can answer. That was probably the plan all along.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/26/24 01:42 PM
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"That was probably the plan all along." Neutralizing a threat does not equivalate to a conspiracy.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/26/24 01:46 PM
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This was a state sanctioned assassination, scheduled in broad daylight on national television. If they are willing to do this, I'm guessing that could also release a virus, rig an election, and force a sterilization vaccine on the world. And we all just sit here and watch.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Choctaw]
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07/26/24 02:06 PM
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Director Wray testified yesterday that the FBI still do not know how the shooter gained access to the roof, he bought a ladder, but they did not find a ladder at the scene. He also said the FBI hasn't determined if it was a bullet or shrapnel that went through his ear. The doctor who treated Trump said it was clearly a bullet. Yes, I worry about people getting out in the weeds all consumed about what, when and how...when we really need to know why and who all was involved, the other is just window dressing to confuse and deflect. I saw the photo with the projectile whizzing by Trump's head, saw and heard the shooting live on TV, no doubt in my mind Trump was struck by a bullet, the left-wing media of Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann started flying glass conspiracy, funny even SNOPES has already rated as False that he was hit by flying debris. Also, both teleprompters are clearly visible in the after shooting photographs and neither is damaged. Although it is certainly understandable, it is unfortunate the shooter was killed because there are many questions that only he can answer. "Whoever took that shot it is probably dead now. That's how a conspiracy works" "Them boys on the grassy knoll, they were dead within three hours. Buried in the damn desert, unmarked graves, out past Terlingua."
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/26/24 02:47 PM
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lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: S.A. hunter]
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07/26/24 10:53 PM
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missingAK
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I watched one of the congressmen ask Wray, "How many shell casings were on the roof." Wray responded "We found 8 cartridges." Did anyone else find that problematic?
Does Wray know the difference between a shell casing and a cartridge? Was he being purposefully evasive about this simple question? In my mind, this is where the rubber meets the road to end all conspiracy theories. Count the shots on the videos, minus one for the SS sniper, that's how many casings there should be. If there isn't...well...
Maybe Wray doesn't know the difference between a casing and a cartridge. If that's the case, and they found 8 casings around the body...well... How many shots did you hear? I heard 10 I think. 8 from the crazy kid and 2 from snipers. If they found 8 casings from his gun, it seems pretty straight forward. It was just a colossal failure on the part of the SS. If they didn't, there was another shooter. Just seemed odd to me that Wray would use a term that any shooter would recognize as an obvious problem. Here's an interesting video analysis:
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Winston Churchill
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