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Re: Trump shot! [Re: 71Rcode] #9079366 07/21/24 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 71Rcode
More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.




Stop with the nonsense.

We already know that there's no way he didn't have help on the inside, but don't start bringing in wild conspiracy theories to bring attention to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Concho
SS now admitting they denied the Trump protection detail requests for additional help but worked with local law enforcement to cover the shortage...after first saying this claim was totally false. This is how assassination attempts, and real assassinations occur, just short the security team, mix in local law enforcement thereby complicating communications between the teams, perform a poor advance team evaluation/fail to secure venue, and wait for some nut case to show up. It doesn't have to be some conspiracy, it can simply be incompetence, poor training, and poor performance. In other words, a normal government operation. The team around Trump performed heroically but their assignment planning was irresponsible at best, he was exposed way too long when they were escorting him off the stage and out to his vehicle. How do you protect a 6'2" person with 5'7" protection, like a wise man once said, "heck of a price to pay for being stylish."


We cannot trust the FBI or SS, or anything the Biden administration says.

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Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
Originally Posted by 71Rcode
More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.




Stop with the nonsense.

We already know that there's no way he didn't have help on the inside, but don't start bringing in wild conspiracy theories to bring attention to yourself.

Clickbait for sure

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Reported this morning BATF (supposedly) was on the roof shortly afterwards requesting pics from LEO's sent to a ph # that later went dark. More questions than answers.



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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
Originally Posted by 71Rcode
More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.




Stop with the nonsense.

We already know that there's no way he didn't have help on the inside, but don't start bringing in wild conspiracy theories to bring attention to yourself.

Clickbait for sure



Smoke, Mirrors, and Deflection...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, or in this case what was very poor planning and poor performance by people Americans believe to be special law enforcement...nonsense made up by the government, who always claim to have only the best, and most times end up screwing up everything they touch.



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I did not read through 29 pages of details but I have questions for the group here about the incident.
1) I saw several videos that people saw the guy climbing on the roof and even laid down. People were yelling "someone is walking on the roof".
2) How come there was no reaction from SS or law enforcement to take that guy down before he got a chance to fire?
3) Did they have an explaination for this? Don't tell me that they were short hand.

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Also funny (not really) was the video of the shooter walking around that building so casually, like he knew he was safe, before he climbed to the roof.



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Re: Trump shot! [Re: TexShooter101] #9079416 07/21/24 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TexShooter101
I did not read through 29 pages of details but I have questions for the group here about the incident.
1) I saw several videos that people saw the guy climbing on the roof and even laid down. People were yelling "someone is walking on the roof".
2) How come there was no reaction from SS or law enforcement to take that guy down before he got a chance to fire?
3) Did they have an explaination for this? Don't tell me that they were short hand.



The videos I have watched lead me to believe someone could have taken out the shooter from the ground long before he got into a shooting position. I have been part of many tactical ops, and I mean no disrespect, but the crew from Saturday isn't who I would want to protect me. No way Trump should have ever been allowed on stage, I retired two years ago, and we have had the capability for years to communicate on multiple channels in numerous zones, so for me to believe there was no interactive communications between local police and SS means someone or several people in command messed up big time. I heard reporting early on in this investigation that everyone on this detail was operating on a Tactical channel, and that makes sense to me.

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The whole point is trump should have never been on that stage. That's the failure.


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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
The whole point is trump should have never been on that stage. That's the failure.


No, he should not have been.
I watched recreations of the shooting this morning, it was a split second. If Trump hadn’t slightly turned his head, he would have been dead. WOW.

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Originally Posted by Concho
Originally Posted by TexShooter101
I did not read through 29 pages of details but I have questions for the group here about the incident.
1) I saw several videos that people saw the guy climbing on the roof and even laid down. People were yelling "someone is walking on the roof".
2) How come there was no reaction from SS or law enforcement to take that guy down before he got a chance to fire?
3) Did they have an explaination for this? Don't tell me that they were short hand.



The videos I have watched lead me to believe someone could have taken out the shooter from the ground long before he got into a shooting position. I have been part of many tactical ops, and I mean no disrespect, but the crew from Saturday isn't who I would want to protect me. No way Trump should have ever been allowed on stage, I retired two years ago, and we have had the capability for years to communicate on multiple channels in numerous zones, so for me to believe there was no interactive communications between local police and SS means someone or several people in command messed up big time. I heard reporting early on in this investigation that everyone on this detail was operating on a Tactical channel, and that makes sense to me.


You had radios capable of communication with the Oscar channel and your own agency's channels? What department did you work for? I had state of the art communications systems that couldn't do that.

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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
The whole point is trump should have never been on that stage. That's the failure.

so true


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The whole point is trump should have never been on that stage. That's the failure.

so true


So the only real question to me is by negligence or by design?


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Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
Originally Posted by 71Rcode
More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.




Stop with the nonsense.

We already know that there's no way he didn't have help on the inside, but don't start bringing in wild conspiracy theories to bring attention to yourself.


I found the analysis pretty interesting. I've heard reports that two counter sniper teams (1 secret service and 1 local) fired at the gunman which could explain the difference in audio. Also, many news outlets stated a counter sniper shot the gunman from 488 yds which does not line up with the counter sniper team seen behind Trump to his right. Hopefully the FBI will clarify and provide the details.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Concho
Originally Posted by TexShooter101
I did not read through 29 pages of details but I have questions for the group here about the incident.
1) I saw several videos that people saw the guy climbing on the roof and even laid down. People were yelling "someone is walking on the roof".
2) How come there was no reaction from SS or law enforcement to take that guy down before he got a chance to fire?
3) Did they have an explaination for this? Don't tell me that they were short hand.



The videos I have watched lead me to believe someone could have taken out the shooter from the ground long before he got into a shooting position. I have been part of many tactical ops, and I mean no disrespect, but the crew from Saturday isn't who I would want to protect me. No way Trump should have ever been allowed on stage, I retired two years ago, and we have had the capability for years to communicate on multiple channels in numerous zones, so for me to believe there was no interactive communications between local police and SS means someone or several people in command messed up big time. I heard reporting early on in this investigation that everyone on this detail was operating on a Tactical channel, and that makes sense to me.


You had radios capable of communication with the Oscar channel and your own agency's channels? What department did you work for? I had state of the art communications systems that couldn't do that.


Are you saying your department never supplied department radio to the FEDs in one of these situations or placed one of your officers with their teams? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. The local PD was only working traffic, so if there were local cops as parts of the actual plan, then there had to be more than one department involved and they could share a common channel for sure. All that should have been worked out before hand, how were they supposed to communicate, Smoke Signals or Hand Signals?

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Originally Posted by Concho
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Originally Posted by Concho
Originally Posted by TexShooter101
I did not read through 29 pages of details but I have questions for the group here about the incident.
1) I saw several videos that people saw the guy climbing on the roof and even laid down. People were yelling "someone is walking on the roof".
2) How come there was no reaction from SS or law enforcement to take that guy down before he got a chance to fire?
3) Did they have an explaination for this? Don't tell me that they were short hand.



The videos I have watched lead me to believe someone could have taken out the shooter from the ground long before he got into a shooting position. I have been part of many tactical ops, and I mean no disrespect, but the crew from Saturday isn't who I would want to protect me. No way Trump should have ever been allowed on stage, I retired two years ago, and we have had the capability for years to communicate on multiple channels in numerous zones, so for me to believe there was no interactive communications between local police and SS means someone or several people in command messed up big time. I heard reporting early on in this investigation that everyone on this detail was operating on a Tactical channel, and that makes sense to me.


You had radios capable of communication with the Oscar channel and your own agency's channels? What department did you work for? I had state of the art communications systems that couldn't do that.


Are you saying your department never supplied department radio to the FEDs in one of these situations or placed one of your officers with their teams? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. The local PD was only working traffic, so if there were local cops as parts of the actual plan, then there had to be more than one department involved and they could share a common channel for sure. All that should have been worked out before hand, how were they supposed to communicate, Smoke Signals or Hand Signals?


Go look at my previous post about the radios. I had a whole bank of them for details like this. They have already admitted they could not communicate directly with the local boots on the ground individually. They had to relay information. That was probably the largest contribution to the failure.

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I have listened to nonstop coverage of this assassination attempt, I have heard they were all on a tactical channel, I have heard they were unable to communicate, I have heard the shooter was on the roof for 26 minutes, then 86 seconds, then 20 minutes, he flew a drone, he rode a bicycle, he drove a van, he drove a Hyundai, someone was on the water tower, local police sniper team was inside the building he shot from, then an official said the locals were not in the building...so, we really don't know.



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Originally Posted by Big Fitz
Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
Originally Posted by 71Rcode
More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.




Stop with the nonsense.

We already know that there's no way he didn't have help on the inside, but don't start bringing in wild conspiracy theories to bring attention to yourself.


I found the analysis pretty interesting. I've heard reports that two counter sniper teams (1 secret service and 1 local) fired at the gunman which could explain the difference in audio. Also, many news outlets stated a counter sniper shot the gunman from 488 yds which does not line up with the counter sniper team seen behind Trump to his right. Hopefully the FBI will clarify and provide the details.


The audio from the Trump microphone sounds different from the one in the field. The one from the field you can hear what sounds like two different rifles, but from Trump's microphone it sounds like one rifle. The field video might sound different between shots because the person filming moves the camera to a different direction during the brief pause. While Trump's mic never moves and thus the sound doesn't change......just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Concho
I have listened to nonstop coverage of this assassination attempt, I have heard they were all on a tactical channel, I have heard they were unable to communicate, I have heard the shooter was on the roof for 26 minutes, then 86 seconds, then 20 minutes, he flew a drone, he rode a bicycle, he drove a van, he drove a Hyundai, someone was on the water tower, local police sniper team was inside the building he shot from, then an official said the locals were not in the building...so, we really don't know.


I guarantee you the secret service operates on the channels that are way down in the 164-166 range. There were 6 different agencies in the detail. There is a communication hub in place to relay communications across multiple agencies different communications systems. The local agencies should have all operated on a single channel with radios supplied to them. Very few agencies have the hardware capability to provide that. I was fortunate to be be able to but FW was a large agency. What agency did you work for because saying they were all on the same radio channel makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.




Stop with the nonsense.

We already know that there's no way he didn't have help on the inside, but don't start bringing in wild conspiracy theories to bring attention to yourself.


I found the analysis pretty interesting. I've heard reports that two counter sniper teams (1 secret service and 1 local) fired at the gunman which could explain the difference in audio. Also, many news outlets stated a counter sniper shot the gunman from 488 yds which does not line up with the counter sniper team seen behind Trump to his right. Hopefully the FBI will clarify and provide the details.


The audio from the Trump microphone sounds different from the one in the field. The one from the field you can hear what sounds like two different rifles, but from Trump's microphone it sounds like one rifle. The field video might sound different between shots because the person filming moves the camera to a different direction during the brief pause. While Trump's mic never moves and thus the sound doesn't change......just my opinion.


That is certainly possible. Not sure how directional mics are on these cell phones. But, the interesting part of the analysis (to me) was the difference in time between the sonic crack of the bullet and the report from the rifle based on Trump's mic. Will be interesting to hear the "facts" once the investigation is done.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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I have listened to nonstop coverage of this assassination attempt, I have heard they were all on a tactical channel, I have heard they were unable to communicate, I have heard the shooter was on the roof for 26 minutes, then 86 seconds, then 20 minutes, he flew a drone, he rode a bicycle, he drove a van, he drove a Hyundai, someone was on the water tower, local police sniper team was inside the building he shot from, then an official said the locals were not in the building...so, we really don't know.


I guarantee you the secret service operates on the channels that are way down in the 164-166 range. There were 6 different agencies in the detail. There is a communication hub in place to relay communications across multiple agencies different communications systems. The local agencies should have all operated on a single channel with radios supplied to them. Very few agencies have the hardware capability to provide that. I was fortunate to be be able to but FW was a large agency. What agency did you work for because saying they were all on the same radio channel makes no sense.



You are not correct; most agencies have that capacity. I know you believe you had everything special because you worked for FW but that isn't true either.

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What agency did you work for?

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What agency did you work for?


After what another law enforcement member went through from someone here, I'll keep my former employer out of this debate, but I worked the DFW area, had the nicest most up to date equipment. Then retired, went back to work in small town Texas where we also had the finest most up to date equipment.

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Originally Posted by Big Fitz
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More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.




Stop with the nonsense.

We already know that there's no way he didn't have help on the inside, but don't start bringing in wild conspiracy theories to bring attention to yourself.


I found the analysis pretty interesting. I've heard reports that two counter sniper teams (1 secret service and 1 local) fired at the gunman which could explain the difference in audio. Also, many news outlets stated a counter sniper shot the gunman from 488 yds which does not line up with the counter sniper team seen behind Trump to his right. Hopefully the FBI will clarify and provide the details.

If there was a sniper team 488 yds away, and they said the building 135 yds away was out of the perimeter, that doesn’t make any sense.
Why would they have snipers 488 yds away, apparently out of the perimeter, and no one on a building 135 yds away?

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Originally Posted by Concho
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What agency did you work for?


After what another law enforcement member went through from someone here, I'll keep my former employer out of this debate, but I worked the DFW area, had the nicest most up to date equipment. Then retired, went back to work in small town Texas where we also had the finest most up to date equipment.


So you even won't validate yourself from where you retired from? Hmmmm.

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