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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Concho]
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07/18/24 10:13 PM
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Sniper John
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I guess it all depends on who you listen to, the word I got was the rifle was purchased 10-11 years ago, who knows, obviously we aren't going to hear the truth for a long time, if ever.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/15/thomas-crooks-trump-assassination-investigation/Federal investigators have determined that the rifle used in an assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump on Saturday was legally purchased by the gunman’s father in 2013, according to a person familiar with the investigation. FBI special agent in charge Kevin Rojek said Crooks used an AR-style rifle chambered in 5.56mm, a common caliber for such weapons. Authorities said the weapon was identified and traced using records from a gun dealership that is no longer operating.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Sniper John]
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07/18/24 11:06 PM
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Concho
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I guess it all depends on who you listen to, the word I got was the rifle was purchased 10-11 years ago, who knows, obviously we aren't going to hear the truth for a long time, if ever.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/15/thomas-crooks-trump-assassination-investigation/Federal investigators have determined that the rifle used in an assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump on Saturday was legally purchased by the gunman’s father in 2013, according to a person familiar with the investigation. FBI special agent in charge Kevin Rojek said Crooks used an AR-style rifle chambered in 5.56mm, a common caliber for such weapons. Authorities said the weapon was identified and traced using records from a gun dealership that is no longer operating. Thank you, Sir, that is the same information I saw, but I have heard all kinds of other purchase time periods from the media.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/18/24 11:13 PM
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what brand and model> Type of sights? Nosey people want to know.
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Re: Trump shot!
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07/18/24 11:16 PM
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Roll-Tide
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Time for a timeline. From gun purchase, to site visits to briefings to status of investigation.
I guarantee they have mapped out his cellphone location for a month. It can be done really quickly.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Roll-Tide]
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07/19/24 12:46 AM
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Time for a timeline. From gun purchase, to site visits to briefings to status of investigation.
I guarantee they have mapped out his cellphone location for a month. It can be done really quickly. I heard they have a cellphone ping from two weeks ago at the location. He scoped it out.
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Re: Trump shot!
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07/19/24 03:31 PM
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Time for a timeline. From gun purchase, to site visits to briefings to status of investigation.
I guarantee they have mapped out his cellphone location for a month. It can be done really quickly. I heard they have a cellphone ping from two weeks ago at the location. He scoped it out. Reported that he stashed the gun before the event and USSS sweep missed it. Also reports he has 3 encrypted accounts they're trying to get in to..
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/19/24 03:43 PM
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None of this matters. The investigation is all but dead in the water. The administration, media or alphabet agencies have any desire for answers.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/19/24 03:58 PM
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Roll-Tide
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I have been impressed with what dogs can do to find guns and ammo in large open spaces.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/19/24 07:22 PM
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Concho
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Latest news is that most of the security detail wasn't even SS Agents, but instead Investigators pulled from Homeland Security.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Concho]
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07/19/24 07:40 PM
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Latest news is that most of the security detail wasn't even SS Agents, but instead Investigators pulled from Homeland Security. Combination of supporting the NATO folks, pedo Joe, Kameltoe, and "Dr" Jills flitting around apparently stretched them thin.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: DannyB]
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07/19/24 08:34 PM
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Those types don’t understand anything about guns. They really think it’s normal for “gun people” take trick shots at things on their friend’s head and stuff like that. They have no idea.
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Re: Trump shot!
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07/19/24 09:22 PM
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Roll-Tide
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Friend from high school is a former SS agent. He said as a former president and even a candidate, they don't get near thr detail sitting president's get.
Very true. Bongino broke it down today. Still, he said it was a monumental failure. During election season, I’ve seen them mix in Homeland Security, etc. Most large cities and all state police have protocols in place for events and dignitaries. Routes, events, briefings and planning. I can almost guarantee someone brought up that building in a walk through. Butler is a small town and would need significant state resources for this event. [quote=Roll-Tide][quote=bigbob_ftw][quote=coachwhite34] Seems like word is trickling out about HSI being mixed in. I have seen this before. They don’t want to do it, usually picked are people they won’t miss in the HSI office. Recipe for disaster. But, still USSS job.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/20/24 02:16 AM
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NORML as can be
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I have a question: Why didn't the people stampede like at almost all other shootings?
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Roll-Tide]
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07/20/24 02:24 AM
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[quote=coachwhite34]
Friend from high school is a former SS agent. He said as a former president and even a candidate, they don't get near thr detail sitting president's get. Very true. Bongino broke it down today. Still, he said it was a monumental failure. During election season, I’ve seen them mix in Homeland Security, etc. Most large cities and all state police have protocols in place for events and dignitaries. Routes, events, briefings and planning. I can almost guarantee someone brought up that building in a walk through. Butler is a small town and would need significant state resources for this event. [quote=bigbob_ftw][quote=coachwhite34]
Seems like word is trickling out about HSI being mixed in. I have seen this before. They don’t want to do it, usually picked are people they won’t miss in the HSI office. Recipe for disaster. But, still USSS job.
Probably doesn’t matter which alphabet group you use, this administration has caused all to go woke. We’re doomed if we expect anything from government.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/20/24 02:39 AM
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After being in operations like this one, the largest recipe for disaster in this was having multiple agencies with different radio communications in the same detail. I would run multi agency operations regularly and the number 1 rule I had was that everyone used the same radios on the same channel. The worst case scenario was that someone would get critical information, try to pass it on or clarify it and the monkeys on a football saying doesn’t do it justice. I kept a bank of about 50 radios in my office for that reason. Based on what I’ve read about the communication breakdowns that occurred in this debacle, I think it was a large part of why this turned into a dumpster fire.
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Re: Trump shot!
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07/20/24 03:29 AM
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After being in operations like this one, the largest recipe for disaster in this was having multiple agencies with different radio communications in the same detail. I would run multi agency operations regularly and the number 1 rule I had was that everyone used the same radios on the same channel. The worst case scenario was that someone would get critical information, try to pass it on or clarify it and the monkeys on a football saying doesn’t do it justice. I kept a bank of about 50 radios in my office for that reason. Based on what I’ve read about the communication breakdowns that occurred in this debacle, I think it was a large part of why this turned into a dumpster fire. I concour.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/20/24 03:30 AM
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I was tapped once for one of those details. Back 1984 there were like 8 candidates running, and Jesse Jackson was one of them. We had ATF agents there also. It was for a debate they had in Edinburg.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/20/24 07:28 AM
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Comms are make or break for sure. You literally can not operate without them, no way. I am willing to bet that almost 100% of friendly fire incidents can be attributed to bad comms, or no comms.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/20/24 10:29 AM
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More than one shooter. This is a short watch but if you want to speed ahead go to the 12m mark.
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Re: Trump shot!
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07/20/24 01:06 PM
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Watch them hide the truth.
One shot is all it should take.
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/21/24 01:55 PM
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Concho
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SS now admitting they denied the Trump protection detail requests for additional help but worked with local law enforcement to cover the shortage...after first saying this claim was totally false. This is how assassination attempts, and real assassinations occur, just short the security team, mix in local law enforcement thereby complicating communications between the teams, perform a poor advance team evaluation/fail to secure venue, and wait for some nut case to show up. It doesn't have to be some conspiracy, it can simply be incompetence, poor training, and poor performance. In other words, a normal government operation. The team around Trump performed heroically but their assignment planning was irresponsible at best, he was exposed way too long when they were escorting him off the stage and out to his vehicle. How do you protect a 6'2" person with 5'7" protection, like a wise man once said, "heck of a price to pay for being stylish."
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Guy]
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07/21/24 02:51 PM
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Buzzsaw
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Reading where the rifle was a cheap Bushmaster or the like with a red dot sight which would cover the "head" at 140 yards. Think he just sprayed rounds
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Re: Trump shot!
[Re: Concho]
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07/21/24 02:57 PM
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10 Gauge
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SS now admitting they denied the Trump protection detail requests for additional help but worked with local law enforcement to cover the shortage...after first saying this claim was totally false. This is how assassination attempts, and real assassinations occur, just short the security team, mix in local law enforcement thereby complicating communications between the teams, perform a poor advance team evaluation/fail to secure venue, and wait for some nut case to show up. It doesn't have to be some conspiracy, it can simply be incompetence, poor training, and poor performance. In other words, a normal government operation. The team around Trump performed heroically but their assignment planning was irresponsible at best, he was exposed way too long when they were escorting him off the stage and out to his vehicle. How do you protect a 6'2" person with 5'7" protection, like a wise man once said, "heck of a price to pay for being stylish." I think it was a combination of laziness, incompetence, and ill will. There is no excuse for bad comms in 2024. You can have total chaos and still pull it together with good comms and competent people that believe in the mission. I wonder if they conducted any kind of a rehearsal or rock drill specific to this mission, that included every agency on this mission?
Last edited by 10 Gauge; 07/21/24 03:01 PM.
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