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Re: Trump shot! [Re: TurkeyHunter] #9078199 07/18/24 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
Originally Posted by 10 Gauge

So you are going to tell me, right here in the public forum for everyone to see, that the FBI does not visit current FFL holders that are still in business, and scan and keep records of transfers? I really don’t care what type of law enforcement experience you have or how to try to explain it, the FBI today in 2024 does this.

I don’t have a foil hat.

It’s not a conspiracy.



ntxtrapper it's the ATF that usually visits FFLs right? Just for inspection etc?

I personally know they don't scan and keep records as stated above. There's FFLs on here who would know this as well. I believe 10 Gauge gets a little carried away sometimes, bless his heart.


Yes. It’s IOI who conducts inspections. In this case the gun was purchased in 2013, the store went out of business, so the 4473 was sent to the National Tracing Center.

I assume he’s read something about the process from a birds aren’t real, flat earth type person and for whatever reason, believes that, rather than information from someone who knows about it from actual experience.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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The 4473 stays with the licensee. Currently, the ATF now requires that FFLs keep the 4473 for as long as the FFL is in business and licensed.

FFLs that are in business longer than 20 years, allows for records that are 20 years old to be stored off-site in a warehouse.

If they lose their FFL, see my previous post.

This is correct.


You guys really think they don’t keep a record? You really think the FBI does not have records of every background check submitted for 20 years?

They literally visit FFL holders to update the FBI database with the forms. They keep track of all the transfers.

How else do they track a transfer down in 1 minute?


We had eTrace on our desktops. I know how it works. The serial number isn’t provided on a NIC with the FBI. IOI conducts compliance inspections at the premises of licensees. They don’t bring a scanner and electronically load 4473’s. I have been present for plenty of inspections. In this case the dealer that sold dad the AR went out of business so the forms were sent to the NTC so it was immediately available on eTrace. If the dealer had still been in business, it would have been a long involved process starting with the wholesaler who purchased it from the manufacturer. I don’t know where you are getting your information from but it’s not correct.


He's a truck driver with down time to read things on the internet. Therefore, he has more knowledge on the subject than you have gained from real world work in the field, formal training and years of experience.


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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge

So you are going to tell me, right here in the public forum for everyone to see, that the FBI does not visit current FFL holders that are still in business, and scan and keep records of transfers? I really don’t care what type of law enforcement experience you have or how to try to explain it, the FBI today in 2024 does this.

I don’t have a foil hat.

It’s not a conspiracy.



ntxtrapper it's the ATF that usually visits FFLs right? Just for inspection etc?

I personally know they don't scan and keep records as stated above. There's FFLs on here who would know this as well. I believe 10 Gauge gets a little carried away sometimes, bless his heart.


Yes. It’s IOI who conducts inspections. In this case the gun was purchased in 2013, the store went out of business, so the 4473 was sent to the National Tracing Center.

I assume he’s read something about the process from a birds aren’t real, flat earth type person and for whatever reason, believes that, rather than information from someone who knows about it from actual experience.



It doesn’t matter if it is the FBI or ATF or IOI, or even the FFL dealer. Records are being kept of every single transfer that is through a dealer, either by or on the behalf of the government. “Up to 20 years.” But you mock me instead of conceding the absolute 100% truth that the government has these records one way or the other. And i learned this much from you just now, NTX. If I had left it at “the government” instead of saying “FBI”, then every single thing I posted about this would have been spot on. And if they want that information from the dealer they will have it PDQ or ruin his life.

The Bible does not say the earth is flat. I know birds are real because they are so good to eat. I am not a loon.

It’s normal for people to revert to teasing or mocking folks when they are wrong but refuse to concede.

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https://regulations.atf.gov/478-129/2016-12100#478-129

https://www.congress.gov/103/bills/hr1025/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections

I do not trust the government with this much authority. I trust law enforcement to stay in their lanes even less. They can and do get the information they want, for up to at least 20 years in the past, on law abiding citizens.

The IRS targets conservatives. The FBI has shown their cards to the world with the persecution of Donald Trump. And President Trump literally just got shot by a complete and total amateur, from a rooftop not 150 yards away.

Boys, I am not the delusional one here.

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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
Originally Posted by 10 Gauge

So you are going to tell me, right here in the public forum for everyone to see, that the FBI does not visit current FFL holders that are still in business, and scan and keep records of transfers? I really don’t care what type of law enforcement experience you have or how to try to explain it, the FBI today in 2024 does this.

I don’t have a foil hat.

It’s not a conspiracy.



ntxtrapper it's the ATF that usually visits FFLs right? Just for inspection etc?

I personally know they don't scan and keep records as stated above. There's FFLs on here who would know this as well. I believe 10 Gauge gets a little carried away sometimes, bless his heart.


Yes. It’s IOI who conducts inspections. In this case the gun was purchased in 2013, the store went out of business, so the 4473 was sent to the National Tracing Center.

I assume he’s read something about the process from a birds aren’t real, flat earth type person and for whatever reason, believes that, rather than information from someone who knows about it from actual experience.



It doesn’t matter if it is the FBI or ATF or IOI, or even the FFL dealer. Records are being kept of every single transfer that is through a dealer, either by or on the behalf of the government. “Up to 20 years.” But you mock me instead of conceding the absolute 100% truth that the government has these records one way or the other. And i learned this much from you just now, NTX. If I had left it at “the government” instead of saying “FBI”, then every single thing I posted about this would have been spot on. And if they want that information from the dealer they will have it PDQ or ruin his life.

The Bible does not say the earth is flat. I know birds are real because they are so good to eat. I am not a loon.

It’s normal for people to revert to teasing or mocking folks when they are wrong but refuse to concede.


I don't believe the isolation of driving a truck is doing you any good. The paranoia in your posts has steadily increased over the last year or two. So there, not a mock, but rather a straight up observation.

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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-129/2016-12100#478-129

https://www.congress.gov/103/bills/hr1025/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections

I do not trust the government with this much authority. I trust law enforcement to stay in their lanes even less. They can and do get the information they want, for up to at least 20 years in the past, on law abiding citizens.

The IRS targets conservatives. The FBI has shown their cards to the world with the persecution of Donald Trump. And President Trump literally just got shot by a complete and total amateur, from a rooftop not 150 yards away.

Boys, I am not the delusional one here.

Delusional? No. I don't trust any of the 3 letter agencies either, and I do 100% believe that they are corrupt. But, you are wrong on the fact that every single firearm transaction has a record kept by the government. Can they find the distributor through the manufacturer, and then use that info to find the dealer where they can look up the original purchaser? Yes. Do they have this all in a database at Langley? No. Not unless the dealer went out of business...in which case they probably do have it at Langley.


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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-129/2016-12100#478-129

https://www.congress.gov/103/bills/hr1025/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections

I do not trust the government with this much authority. I trust law enforcement to stay in their lanes even less. They can and do get the information they want, for up to at least 20 years in the past, on law abiding citizens.

The IRS targets conservatives. The FBI has shown their cards to the world with the persecution of Donald Trump. And President Trump literally just got shot by a complete and total amateur, from a rooftop not 150 yards away.

Boys, I am not the delusional one here.


Reposted for ntxtrapper. By the way, I am home weekly and i also train drivers. I don’t have a moment alone. So the isolation thing, that’s a wide miss.

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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-129/2016-12100#478-129

https://www.congress.gov/103/bills/hr1025/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections

I do not trust the government with this much authority. I trust law enforcement to stay in their lanes even less. They can and do get the information they want, for up to at least 20 years in the past, on law abiding citizens.

The IRS targets conservatives. The FBI has shown their cards to the world with the persecution of Donald Trump. And President Trump literally just got shot by a complete and total amateur, from a rooftop not 150 yards away.

Boys, I am not the delusional one here.


Reposted for ntxtrapper. By the way, I am home weekly and i also train drivers. I don’t have a moment alone. So the isolation thing, that’s a wide miss.


Regardless of the reason, too much talk radio, cable news, the internet, blogs...There's been a noticeable change and everyone on here has noticed it. Wallow in it and descend deeper or make some changes. My conscience is clear now that I've told you.

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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
Originally Posted by 10 Gauge

So you are going to tell me, right here in the public forum for everyone to see, that the FBI does not visit current FFL holders that are still in business, and scan and keep records of transfers? I really don’t care what type of law enforcement experience you have or how to try to explain it, the FBI today in 2024 does this.

I don’t have a foil hat.

It’s not a conspiracy.



ntxtrapper it's the ATF that usually visits FFLs right? Just for inspection etc?

I personally know they don't scan and keep records as stated above. There's FFLs on here who would know this as well. I believe 10 Gauge gets a little carried away sometimes, bless his heart.


Yes. It’s IOI who conducts inspections. In this case the gun was purchased in 2013, the store went out of business, so the 4473 was sent to the National Tracing Center.

I assume he’s read something about the process from a birds aren’t real, flat earth type person and for whatever reason, believes that, rather than information from someone who knows about it from actual experience.



It doesn’t matter if it is the FBI or ATF or IOI, or even the FFL dealer. Records are being kept of every single transfer that is through a dealer, either by or on the behalf of the government. “Up to 20 years.” But you mock me instead of conceding the absolute 100% truth that the government has these records one way or the other. And i learned this much from you just now, NTX. If I had left it at “the government” instead of saying “FBI”, then every single thing I posted about this would have been spot on. And if they want that information from the dealer they will have it PDQ or ruin his life.

The Bible does not say the earth is flat. I know birds are real because they are so good to eat. I am not a loon.

It’s normal for people to revert to teasing or mocking folks when they are wrong but refuse to concede.

You stated: "You really think the FBI does not have records of every background check submitted for 20 years?

They literally visit FFL holders to update the FBI database with the forms. They keep track of all the transfers."

That's your emphatic statement that the FBI manually gathers this information and maintains it.

Literally, wrong.


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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-129/2016-12100#478-129

https://www.congress.gov/103/bills/hr1025/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections

I do not trust the government with this much authority. I trust law enforcement to stay in their lanes even less. They can and do get the information they want, for up to at least 20 years in the past, on law abiding citizens.

The IRS targets conservatives. The FBI has shown their cards to the world with the persecution of Donald Trump. And President Trump literally just got shot by a complete and total amateur, from a rooftop not 150 yards away.

Boys, I am not the delusional one here.


Reposted for ntxtrapper. By the way, I am home weekly and i also train drivers. I don’t have a moment alone. So the isolation thing, that’s a wide miss.


Regardless of the reason, too much talk radio, cable news, the internet, blogs...There's been a noticeable change and everyone on here has noticed it. Wallow in it and descend deeper or make some changes. My conscience is clear now that I've told you.


Pure malice in your words. You are not looking out for me, this is a personal attack.


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Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson
You stated: "You really think the FBI does not have records of every background check submitted for 20 years?

They literally visit FFL holders to update the FBI database with the forms. They keep track of all the transfers."

That's your emphatic statement that the FBI manually gathers this information and maintains it.

Literally, wrong.



Worse then a facebook fact check. I am “technically” wrong, but the whole purpose of this convoluted system is to maintain records for 20 years.

The records of legal transfers to law abiding citizens should be immediately destroyed at the completion of the sale.

And why aren’t they arresting unqualified people for trying to buy guns? They just walk away.


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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson
You stated: "You really think the FBI does not have records of every background check submitted for 20 years?

They literally visit FFL holders to update the FBI database with the forms. They keep track of all the transfers."

That's your emphatic statement that the FBI manually gathers this information and maintains it.

Literally, wrong.



Worse then a facebook fact check. I am “technically” wrong, but the whole purpose of this convoluted system is to maintain records for 20 years.

The records of legal transfers to law abiding citizens should be immediately destroyed at the completion of the sale.

And why aren’t they arresting unqualified people for trying to buy guns? They just walk away.


Don't make a statement like.....the FBI visits FFL dealers to harvest transaction records. People stop taking you seriously when you spew BS as if it is fact.

What's your plan for arresting every unqualified person trying to buy a gun and stoppng them from walking away?


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Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson


Don't make a statement like.....the FBI visits FFL dealers to harvest transaction records. People stop taking you seriously when you spew BS as if it is fact.

What's your plan for arresting every unqualified person trying to buy a gun and stoppng them from walking away?


Not my circus, not my monkeys. I will repost this for you, too, onlysmith&wesson

Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-129/2016-12100#478-129

https://www.congress.gov/103/bills/hr1025/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections

I do not trust the government with this much authority. I trust law enforcement to stay in their lanes even less. They can and do get the information they want, for up to at least 20 years in the past, on law abiding citizens.

The IRS targets conservatives. The FBI has shown their cards to the world with the persecution of Donald Trump. And President Trump literally just got shot by a complete and total amateur, from a rooftop not 150 yards away.

Boys, I am not the delusional one here.


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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson


Don't make a statement like.....the FBI visits FFL dealers to harvest transaction records. People stop taking you seriously when you spew BS as if it is fact.

What's your plan for arresting every unqualified person trying to buy a gun and stoppng them from walking away?


Not my circus, not my monkeys. I will repost this for you, too, onlysmith&wesson

Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-129/2016-12100#478-129

https://www.congress.gov/103/bills/hr1025/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections

I do not trust the government with this much authority. I trust law enforcement to stay in their lanes even less. They can and do get the information they want, for up to at least 20 years in the past, on law abiding citizens.

The IRS targets conservatives. The FBI has shown their cards to the world with the persecution of Donald Trump. And President Trump literally just got shot by a complete and total amateur, from a rooftop not 150 yards away.

Boys, I am not the delusional one here.


You obviously didn't read those links, or comprehend them or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous statement about the FBI.


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I read them. You would be surprised by my level of comprehension.

Now take those three links and put them together. “Do the math”.

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I thought the dad bought the gun 6 months ago. Did the gun store already go out of business?
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I guess it all depends on who you listen to, the word I got was the rifle was purchased 10-11 years ago, who knows, obviously we aren't going to hear the truth for a long time, if ever.



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I guess it all depends on who you listen to, the word I got was the rifle was purchased 10-11 years ago, who knows, obviously we aren't going to hear the truth for a long time, if ever.



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