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Re: Trump shot! [Re: Guy] #9077178 07/16/24 04:30 PM
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She isn't doing herself any favors.

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The only thing she can say is- It was a tremendous and deadly error made by USSS.

Lot of talk, that she was chosen by Jill Biden. Who knows if that’s true, but certainly believable.

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Security of the protected rests clearly on the SS.


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A failure by all of them.


One shot is all it should take.
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That makes her sound even dumber than she looks.
What the—-kind of people are running the government?
I know , stupid question.

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That is a 1 or 2 in 12 standard metal building roof. So is the one the snipers were on. Bull crap for sure.




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No way it was not done with purpose of some sort or another. No way that kid goes into a secure event like this with a free pass and finds him the only building that doesn't have anyone on the roof, and just happens to have a ladder sitting there waiting for him. No way he climbs on a metal roof, rolls around, bear crawls and is not seen. No way standard bystanders telling anyone and everyone, showing and taking photos back and forth and nobody does a thing. No way that kid is seen by an officer with a range finder and the officer supposedly says something and nobody pays attention. If that was true then he obviously wasn't carrying his AR at the time. Where was the rifle? How could he get past security with it in an event like this. The only way is what your article says. They whoever they are and we know the SS knew it. Planned it. So obvious the two snipers on the roof next to Trump saw the kid. Just based on their reaction. They had rifles trained in that direction with Night Force scopes that had huge 50mm objective lenses with a large field of view. I have several of them. They are very clear and at 130 yards, you can almost read a book through the scope. Where was the overwatch? Why was the perimeter so small? I didn't even see one of those portable lifts that could easily see over those buildings. None of this makes any sense and everyone knows it.




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The head of SS is even saying she had a crew in the building he was on... No way this all works.




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They probably told the boy he would be a hero, and they would get him out of there, knowing he wasn’t going to make it out alive.

Re: Trump shot! [Re: 2000cbr929] #9077247 07/16/24 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000cbr929
No way it was not done with purpose of some sort or another. No way that kid goes into a secure event like this with a free pass and finds him the only building that doesn't have anyone on the roof, and just happens to have a ladder sitting there waiting for him. No way he climbs on a metal roof, rolls around, bear crawls and is not seen. No way standard bystanders telling anyone and everyone, showing and taking photos back and forth and nobody does a thing. No way that kid is seen by an officer with a range finder and the officer supposedly says something and nobody pays attention. If that was true then he obviously wasn't carrying his AR at the time. Where was the rifle? How could he get past security with it in an event like this. The only way is what your article says. They whoever they are and we know the SS knew it. Planned it. So obvious the two snipers on the roof next to Trump saw the kid. Just based on their reaction. They had rifles trained in that direction with Night Force scopes that had huge 50mm objective lenses with a large field of view. I have several of them. They are very clear and at 130 yards, you can almost read a book through the scope. Where was the overwatch? Why was the perimeter so small? I didn't even see one of those portable lifts that could easily see over those buildings. None of this makes any sense and everyone knows it.



The only thing that needs to happen for this to occur (As in Dallas 1963) is for SS to fail or refuse to do their jobs, there are hundreds of nuts cases all over America. The videos I have watched, this guy could have been taken out with a pistol from the ground...THIS ENTIRE THING SMELLS.

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Our Country is more divided than at any point in our history, the SS knows that fact, all one needs to do is read the Yahoo responses to any article about Trump to see how much hatred there is in society, and the number of crazy people posting.

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These people got away with stealing a national election, most of the republicans we elected along with their buddies in the democrat media, that supposed to make sure this kind of thing didn’t happen, went right on along with it.
They know they can get by with anything.
A lot of republicans like John Cornyn, Mike pence ect all have their hands in the cookie jar when it comes to foreign wars.
I supported GW bush, and even was for the war on terror, until we see the results years later, it’s even worse now after spending trillions of dollars and destroying thousands of young people’s lives.
If Trump is elected they know their slush funds are coming to an end.

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Two things -

Cheatle's remark/excuse is mind boggling. It "legitimizes" the degree of incompetence we just witnessed. Do these peope even think things out? Much like the preventative plan in place. Things are starting to clear up for me.

I have had people come to my aid before but none looked like the lil' pudgy gal and most of them knew how to holster a weapon.

Bless me Father for I have sinned.

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If we’re not prepared for a misfit 20 year old virgin without a scope. We’re wide open to a professionally trained group.

Re: Trump shot! [Re: Roll-Tide] #9077275 07/16/24 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
If we’re not prepared for a misfit 20 year old virgin without a scope. We’re wide open to a professionally trained group.

No kidding, I bet the terror groups and some of our enemies are salivating watching this debacle unfold. Wheels are already turning in many of their heads.

I always thought SS was the best of the best, but I guess its going the way of anything ran by government. If I were the president I'd want the most badass pipe hitting mofo's on planet earth for my SS detail.


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I'm thinking this is far from over. There is SO much hatred between parties, They are going to brainwash the young and dumb people into thinking their freedoms will come to an end, they will be put in camps, etc. This is not going to stop until they have anyone stupid enough to listen then vote democrat.

Seeing Trump come out last night and stand in front of an audience of loving friends made me and many of you tear up a bit.

We HAVE to win.

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Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
If we’re not prepared for a misfit 20 year old virgin without a scope. We’re wide open to a professionally trained group.


Spot on


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Fox News reporting an Iranian Plot to Assassinate Trump.



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Fox News reporting an Iranian Plot to Assassinate Trump.


US authorities were warned about a potential assassination plot against former President Donald Trump by Iran weeks before the deadly shooting at Saturday’s rally — underscoring concerns about the level of protection that the presidential candidate was given, according to a report.

Although there is no known connection between Thomas Matthew Crooks and the Iranian republic — considered a rogue state by the US government — advance knowledge of such a threat appears wildly out of alignment with Trump’s level of protection at the Butler, Pa., rally.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/16/us-ne...inst-trump-weeks-before-deadly-shooting/


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Yeah, if you think the iranians are out to get trump and leave a building unsecure 130 yards from the stage trump is going to be on...that s a serious problem. And the SS said they increased security for trump after the iranian threat came to be known.

Insane.

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Yeah, if you think the iranians are out to get trump and leave a building unsecure 130 yards from the stage trump is going to be on...that s a serious problem. And the SS said they increased security for trump after the iranian threat came to be known.

Insane.


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Originally Posted by Concho
Fox News reporting an Iranian Plot to Assassinate Trump.


Obviously, they missed an opportunity.

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Police were stationed inside the building from which gunman Thomas Matthew Crooks fired shots at Donald Trump, the director of the US Secret Service Kimberly Cheatle says.
Ms Cheatle told ABC News that local police were inside the building while Crooks was on the roof, and that local police - not the Secret Service - had been “responsible" for securing the building and its outer perimeter.

Questions have swirled about how police officers and agents tasked with securing Trump's Pennsylvania rally allowed Crooks to get as close as he did.
He was able to access the roof of a building near the outdoor event at Butler County fairgrounds, Pennsylvania, from where he shot at Trump 130m (430ft) away.

The local police deployment inside the building comprised three snipers, who are alleged to have seen Crooks trying to get on the roof, according to sources quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner.
One audience member was killed and two others critically injured in the shooting. Trump was wounded in the ear.

Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said that his agency was responsible for securing inside the perimeter of the fairgrounds, while local police secured the area outside, which included the private building used by the gunman.
The local sheriff's department referred BBC questions to the state police, which said it was not responsible for the area containing the building.

A state police spokesman told the BBC that it provided "all resources" requested by the Secret Service, including between 30 to 40 troopers inside the perimeter.
Many observers have questioned how security plans broke down to allow the gunman unobstructed access to Trump.
Crowd members said they had spotted the suspect on the roof minutes before the shooting started, while Butler County Sheriff Michael Slupe said a local security officer had also spotted him but could not stop him.
The sheriff admitted there had been "a failure" in securing the premises, but said he believed that there was no single party to blame.

It is common for the US Secret Service to rely on local police for help when securing rallies, said Jason Russell, founder of Secure Environments Consultants who worked as an agent from 2002 to 2010, including during election campaigns.
“The Secret Service doesn’t have unlimited resources in terms of agents that they can post everywhere,” he told the BBC.
He said that agents usually scope out a campaign event’s venue days in advance to develop a security plan that is then shared with local police agencies.

During an event, he said communications were shared with every agency involved. However, he added that in "the 10 seconds that it takes" for information to flow through, that could be just enough time for a gunman to fire a few shots.
The rooftop was a known vulnerability before the event, according to NBC News, which cited two sources familiar with Secret Service operations.

Mr Russell said it was probable that Secret Service agents identified that building as a threat, and had requested local authorities to station officers nearby to prevent access.
“For whatever reason, that didn’t happen,” he said.

One witness, Thomas Gleason, who served 21 years with the US Army as paratrooper and ranger, said "there should have been greater security for a long-range threat".
"Looking at the distance and vantage point, if someone is going to try to assassinate [Trump] that would have been the most logical shooting point," he said.

The FBI has since taken over the role of lead investigator into the incident, and the shooting is now the subject of several other investigations by both the House and the Senate.
Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas called it a “failure” of security, telling CNN that "an incident like this cannot happen again".

Ms Cheatle said on Monday that her agency is working with federal and local police to "understand what happened, how it happened, and how we can prevent an incident like this from taking place again".
She added that she will cooperate with any congressional investigations into the shooting.
"The buck stops with me," she said in the ABC interview, adding that she would not step down in the face of mounting calls from some lawmakers.

Ms Cheatle will face the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability on 22 July.
Republicans on the committee have also called on the Secret Service to produce evidence including internal communications, audio and video recordings, messages to local law enforcement, maps, diagrams and pre-event assessments.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd167v5lpq2o

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