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Re: Trump shot! [Re: Texas buckeye] #9075695 07/14/24 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
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I am not certain how the SS operates, but I would think when you clearly know there is an immediate threat, shouldn't Trump have been in the Beast and gone?

Think the beast is only for sitting presidents. But I agree they should have gotten trump to the tahoes faster.


They had to ensure there were no other threats. Once the threats were neutralized, they gave the order to go. They had to get trump off the ground, then escort him down to the car. He stopped many times despite their urging to move, to pump his fist and show he was OK. Even once at the car, he stood up on the running board and fist pumped and wanted to be seen. It was comical how hard the SS was trying to move him and he was resisting almost the whole time on stage and once at the car.

Lol, yeah they were like get the f in the car, Sir!

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
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I am not certain how the SS operates, but I would think when you clearly know there is an immediate threat, shouldn't Trump have been in the Beast and gone?

Think the beast is only for sitting presidents. But I agree they should have gotten trump to the tahoes faster.


They had to ensure there were no other threats. Once the threats were neutralized, they gave the order to go. They had to get trump off the ground, then escort him down to the car. He stopped many times despite their urging to move, to pump his fist and show he was OK. Even once at the car, he stood up on the running board and fist pumped and wanted to be seen. It was comical how hard the SS was trying to move him and he was resisting almost the whole time on stage and once at the car.

I didn’t find it comical I found it inspiring that they’ve threw everything they could at him even assassination and he is still standing. That’s the kind of man I want running the country not a puppet.


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We’ll since it’s been hours since they have the shooters body and no info about him we now know he was not a “right wing” guy

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I certainly do not think the situation was comical. I thought it funny how hard the SS was trying to get trump down off the platform and he was resisting to show the crowd/world he was OK.

I agree, this man has endured some serious attacks , and has survived all of them except the rigged farce trial in NY. As i have said before, he will get my vote. I am not trying to make light of someone dying, and three others getting shot. I am making light of the fact trump was resisting SS trying to get him off the platform. He heard himself the shooter was down, so he probably was like, let me show some manhood here….

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The last time he ran Covid popped up, this time when Biden’s a complete [censored] show he avoids being shot on the head by a complete blunder of SS. Maybe I’m overthinking it though confused2

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
I certainly do not think the situation was comical. I thought it funny how hard the SS was trying to get trump down off the platform and he was resisting to show the crowd/world he was OK.

I agree, this man has endured some serious attacks , and has survived all of them except the rigged farce trial in NY. As i have said before, he will get my vote. I am bot trying to make light of someone dying, and three others getting shot. I am making light of the fact trump was resisting SS trying to get him off the platform. He heard himself the shooter was down, so he probably was like, let me show some manhood here….

Oh I gotcha and yea I agree to that point. Sorry about that I misread your previous post.


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Originally Posted by Ol Thumper
The last time he ran Covid popped up, this time when Biden’s a complete [censored] show he avoids being shot on the head by a complete blunder of SS. Maybe I’m overthinking it though confused2


I don’t think you are, there’s two witnesses that saw the guy on the building, and they reported it to LE.
Why wasn’t this guy spotted by the SS?
They are supposed to be looking elsewhere.

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The one guy interviewed on BBC said the SS couldn’t see the shooter because he was on the opposite side of the roof eave. That is corroborated by the video of the sniper reacting to the shooter popping up to shoot, followed by the first three shots.

Seems the SS /counter sniper was looking in that direction, just didnt react appropriately to the threat.

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Re: Trump shot! [Re: Texas buckeye] #9075714 07/14/24 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
The one guy interviewed on BBC said the SS couldn’t see the shooter because he was on the opposite side of the roof eave. That is corroborated by the video of the sniper reacting to the shooter popping up to shoot, followed by the first three shots.

Seems the SS /counter sniper was looking in that direction, just didnt react appropriately to the threat.

That goes back to the drones. Why would the SS not implement the use of drones for a Birds Eye view an eve shouldn’t get in the way of a presidential candidate being assassinated.


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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
The one guy interviewed on BBC said the SS couldn’t see the shooter because he was on the opposite side of the roof eave. That is corroborated by the video of the sniper reacting to the shooter popping up to shoot, followed by the first three shots.

Seems the SS /counter sniper was looking in that direction, just didnt react appropriately to the threat.


Or place a security detail on that roof, 150 yards away?


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Those questions i can not answer. Maybe they thought they had it covered by having snipers covering those roofs?

I do not know of helos or drones are used in SS details. I bet they will be soon if not already.

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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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The one guy interviewed on BBC said the SS couldn’t see the shooter because he was on the opposite side of the roof eave. That is corroborated by the video of the sniper reacting to the shooter popping up to shoot, followed by the first three shots.

Seems the SS /counter sniper was looking in that direction, just didnt react appropriately to the threat.

That goes back to the drones. Why would the SS not implement the use of drones for a Birds Eye view an eve shouldn’t get in the way of a presidential candidate being assassinated.


This is one side of defense I do not know. He was a previous sitting president so they should have an awacs E-3, 707 or 767 watching everything.


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Re: Trump shot! [Re: NORML as can be] #9075722 07/14/24 03:17 AM
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Hilarious if you read that in a Donald Trump accent.


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Tragic what happened today. That said, this is not what I would want Trump to respond with. I’m sure his communications department came up with it, and they should have been calm enough to realize that it reads a little off, focuses on himself more than the dead/injured individuals, and lets the reader interpret what they want to about his stance on guns.

I could be wrong and others may disagree with me, that’s ok. I would take back my statement if he actually wrote it and was in the midst of the chaos versus someone else writing it without his direction.

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Originally Posted by Superduty
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The one guy interviewed on BBC said the SS couldn’t see the shooter because he was on the opposite side of the roof eave. That is corroborated by the video of the sniper reacting to the shooter popping up to shoot, followed by the first three shots.

Seems the SS /counter sniper was looking in that direction, just didnt react appropriately to the threat.


Or place a security detail on that roof, 150 yards away?


SS should have had their own people on every roof within a half mile of that stage.

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If you sit back and think about it, 1/2 inch and he would be dead.

Yep, I guarantee his last second head move saved his life.

Wind was blowing toward the stage, see flags next to stage. Even a 10mph wind at 150 yards will cause some drift, I bet a couple of inches.
I am thinking a bad shot, or no windage adjustment helped Trump.


Yes, not knowing what cartridge was used (probably a 5.56) and bullet weight...we can only guess.

But a 55 grain bullet at normal 5.56 velocity at 150 yds with a 10 mph full value wind would cause a drift a bit over 2".


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Tragic what happened today. That said, this is not what I would want Trump to respond with. I’m sure his communications department came up with it, and they should have been calm enough to realize that it reads a little off, focuses on himself more than the dead/injured individuals, and lets the reader interpret what they want to about his stance on guns.

I could be wrong and others may disagree with me, that’s ok. I would take back my statement if he actually wrote it and was in the midst of the chaos versus someone else writing it without his direction.



I don’t see this at all, he addressed the others injured/killed in his statement first. Did you read “Most importantly”?

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
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I am not certain how the SS operates, but I would think when you clearly know there is an immediate threat, shouldn't Trump have been in the Beast and gone?

Think the beast is only for sitting presidents. But I agree they should have gotten trump to the tahoes faster.


They had to ensure there were no other threats. Once the threats were neutralized, they gave the order to go. They had to get trump off the ground, then escort him down to the car. He stopped many times despite their urging to move, to pump his fist and show he was OK. Even once at the car, he stood up on the running board and fist pumped and wanted to be seen. It was comical how hard the SS was trying to move him and he was resisting almost the whole time on stage and once at the car.

Sorry, I was referring to before he was shot. They knew the threat was there, it was reported (although seems to have been ignored by LEOs). They were expecting something from that roof, they were aiming right at it. But they left Trump on the stage. Waiting for a bad guy to pop up over the roof ridge and hope you can shoot faster than he can doesn't seem like a good way to protect a president.


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Tragic what happened today. That said, this is not what I would want Trump to respond with. I’m sure his communications department came up with it, and they should have been calm enough to realize that it reads a little off, focuses on himself more than the dead/injured individuals, and lets the reader interpret what they want to about his stance on guns.

I could be wrong and others may disagree with me, that’s ok. I would take back my statement if he actually wrote it and was in the midst of the chaos versus someone else writing it without his direction.



I don’t see this at all, he addressed the others injured/killed in his statement first. Did you read “Most importantly”?


1/3 of the paragraph is about the situation, and yes it’s at the end. He then follows up with much bleeding taking place by saying GOD BLESS AMERICA. It’s incoherent, it was scary no doubt but he didn’t need to sensationalize it, and it could have had a different purpose.

Again, my take and a missed approach in my mind

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