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 Re: 22-250
[Re: redchevy]
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06/28/24 06:27 PM
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Why has bullet sectional density not been brought up yet?
It's a thing... Why didn't you mention it instead of high fence verses low fence and making a blanket statement that the 250 is a varmint cartridge. You've never shot a deer with a 22-250. Because I've had .260 Rem. 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, 7mm-08 A.I., and .308 Win available to shoot deer with. Since the .22-250 is a varmint cartridge, and that's what I've used it for. My first barrel was a 1:14, and it was loaded with 55 gr SGK. The next barrel is a 1:8, and is loaded with 75 gr A-Max. I did that to combat Texas panhandle wind, and to be able to shoot prairie dogs and coyotes farther. The sectional density helps on the farther coyotes. So why can we hunt with target bullets but not hunt with a “varmint” caliber? You can do whatever you want. The bullet makers call em "target". And then some of us field tested things for ourselves and found out they work great to hunt with. The same holds true for many stories in this thread. Guys tested varmint cartridges on whitetail and had bad results.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/28/24 07:36 PM
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/28/24 07:40 PM
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I agree the 22-250 is not a big game rifle. Love shooting mine and have killed a few deer without ever losing one. Killed many hogs with head shots. Very accurate rifle that is fun to shoot.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/28/24 08:08 PM
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You exposed inadequacies and fear.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: redchevy]
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06/28/24 08:10 PM
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There are things I wouldn’t want to do with a 223. I have a 375 win and a 3030 win, I feel more handicapped with them than a 223 or 22-250. Does that mean a 3030 and 375 Winchester are inadequate deer calibers? You are the guy who will argue til you're blue in the face, then have it in your will to have the statement put on your gravestone that a 22-250 is a fine deer cartridge. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I agree on the agree to disagree part. People have lost deer with numerous calibers way bigger than what is required. I’m picky about bullet selection, but it works. You’re right you’re not going to sell me on what Ive done and lived for 15 years won’t or doesn’t work. And I’d like to be cremated no grave. Agree. I don't care if I'm cremated or buried. Funerals are for the living.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Buzzsaw]
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06/28/24 11:28 PM
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Re: 22-250
[Re: TKM]
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06/28/24 11:30 PM
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You exposed inadequacies and fear. Lmao. This is a caliber debate not a deep dive into one’s inner persona.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/28/24 11:33 PM
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Well, I’m just glad that after all these years of argument and counter-argument that the issue is finally resolved.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/28/24 11:58 PM
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You guys have high expectations of people. I'll just be thankful if the deer is shot on property the person can legally hunt on and that it's during daylight.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/29/24 12:13 AM
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A buddy and I killed 111 deer in two weeks with a 22-250 from 20 -300 yards over a two week period. We didn’t lose one. All given to hunters for the hungry. Those were taken with 55 Gamekings dipped in Moly coat.
I don’t kill many deer anymore but the last few were killed with a 45gr TSX over 27.5 of RL15. The last buck I killed a few years ago was an old 8 at 150 yards. I remember the shot because I was disappointed at the meat loss. I shot him looking at me in the neck. The bullet broke his neck and traveled down his spine and lodged in the top of his [censored]. Still weighed 43gr and was flattened like a quarter.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: 603Country]
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06/29/24 01:16 AM
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Well, I’m just glad that after all these years of argument and counter-argument that the issue is finally resolved. Until next time
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/29/24 01:59 AM
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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06/29/24 02:11 AM
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I wish someone would look up all the old threads on this subject and copy paste them in.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: freerange]
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07/01/24 02:53 PM
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I wish someone would look up all the old threads on this subject and copy paste them in. what's the fun in that?!?!?! I actually knew this old mexican ranch hand in my former company's hunting ranch. He loved his 22-250 with a 55gr soft point but he was a crack shot with that particular rifle and he knew precisely how to shoot them dead. All that said, he also carried a 308 when a deer was either out of range and/or too big. In summary for me, the keyword he is discretion. But like when sniffing food.. when it doubt throw it out.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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07/14/24 01:57 PM
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Ok folks I just picked up a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250. Now the question is do I use it for deer hunting? My shoulder is getting older now and the old 30-06 and 270 are kicking more than I like. I got a really good deal on the 22-250. I’ve burned out the barrel on 22-250 and culled well over 200 deer, pronghorn and hogs with. It’s a very capable cartridge under certain terms. Only issue with the 22-250 is the slow twist used to stabilizer the smaller bullets. Similar recoil with less bullet size restrictions would be the 22 Creedmoor. It’s would be a lot more tolerable recoil wise then your 30-06 while giving you OTC ammo in the 77-88gr range which is more then capable of whitetail at ranges probably past what you are willing to shoot. For comparison a 22-250 AI 1-7/1-8 twist is very similar performance to a 22 Creedmoor in same twist Modern bullet forensic data shows that “like” cup and core bullet wound cavity has direct correlation to bullet length in reference to it its length and diameter. The heavier the bullet the longer it is, Longer it is the more frontal expansion there is In reference to resistance. This is why sectional density is a provided metric. There is the law of diminishing return but that’s a whole other thread, which includes BC, velocity, and construction In short if you don’t hand load, the 22 Creedmoor would be the ideal option over the 22-250 while still keeping you in the same relative recoil range.
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Re: 22-250
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07/15/24 06:11 PM
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Ok folks I just picked up a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250. Now the question is do I use it for deer hunting? My shoulder is getting older now and the old 30-06 and 270 are kicking more than I like. I got a really good deal on the 22-250. I’ve burned out the barrel on 22-250 and culled well over 200 deer, pronghorn and hogs with. It’s a very capable cartridge under certain terms. Only issue with the 22-250 is the slow twist used to stabilizer the smaller bullets. Similar recoil with less bullet size restrictions would be the 22 Creedmoor. It’s would be a lot more tolerable recoil wise then your 30-06 while giving you OTC ammo in the 77-88gr range which is more then capable of whitetail at ranges probably past what you are willing to shoot. For comparison a 22-250 AI 1-7/1-8 twist is very similar performance to a 22 Creedmoor in same twist Modern bullet forensic data shows that “like” cup and core bullet wound cavity has direct correlation to bullet length in reference to it its length and diameter. The heavier the bullet the longer it is, Longer it is the more frontal expansion there is In reference to resistance. This is why sectional density is a provided metric. There is the law of diminishing return but that’s a whole other thread, which includes BC, velocity, and construction In short if you don’t hand load, the 22 Creedmoor would be the ideal option over the 22-250 while still keeping you in the same relative recoil range. Bobo, now compare the 223 with similar twist. Or is that a whole other thread?
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR
Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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07/15/24 09:58 PM
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I haven't read past this but going about like I expected. I have one, the typical 14 twist barrel. Won't shoot anything over 55 gr. acurately enough to suit me. My daughter has killed every deer she shot with it. I load hornady 55 grain soft points to 3300 fps. It's accurate as hell and a heart/lung shot kills them every time. If you're interested in the load, PM me. Basically makes lung jello. And with the right shot placement top half of the heart. Usually exits, if through a rib the hole is about nickel size on the off side. Depending on how the deer is standing, the exit can tear up the offside shoulder pretty bad. If you go too high, it will ruin a big bunch of backstrap. It's not really a deer caliber, there are much better choices. But, it sure as hell can kill a deer just fine. I'm pretty sure neck shots or head shots would work fine but I taught her to aim for the heart. And not to shoot unless the deer is standing still.
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Re: 22-250
[Re: freerange]
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07/15/24 10:06 PM
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Ok folks I just picked up a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250. Now the question is do I use it for deer hunting? My shoulder is getting older now and the old 30-06 and 270 are kicking more than I like. I got a really good deal on the 22-250. I’ve burned out the barrel on 22-250 and culled well over 200 deer, pronghorn and hogs with. It’s a very capable cartridge under certain terms. Only issue with the 22-250 is the slow twist used to stabilizer the smaller bullets. Similar recoil with less bullet size restrictions would be the 22 Creedmoor. It’s would be a lot more tolerable recoil wise then your 30-06 while giving you OTC ammo in the 77-88gr range which is more then capable of whitetail at ranges probably past what you are willing to shoot. For comparison a 22-250 AI 1-7/1-8 twist is very similar performance to a 22 Creedmoor in same twist Modern bullet forensic data shows that “like” cup and core bullet wound cavity has direct correlation to bullet length in reference to it its length and diameter. The heavier the bullet the longer it is, Longer it is the more frontal expansion there is In reference to resistance. This is why sectional density is a provided metric. There is the law of diminishing return but that’s a whole other thread, which includes BC, velocity, and construction In short if you don’t hand load, the 22 Creedmoor would be the ideal option over the 22-250 while still keeping you in the same relative recoil range. Bobo, now compare the 223 with similar twist. Or is that a whole other thread? We can jack this thread, it's run it's course LOL! The 223 will work in the faster twists but it's anemic in comparison to the Gaymoor or 250AI. I'd say to the tune of 3-400fps in same barrel lengths...
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Longhorn74]
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07/15/24 10:50 PM
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.223 Rem, 80 gr ELD-M 2870 fps
.223 A.I., 80 gr ELD-M 3050 fps
.22-250, 80 gr ELD-M 3150 fps
Clearly, the .223 A.I. gets the best fuel mileage.
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Re: 22-250
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07/15/24 11:11 PM
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Wow! Never would’ve thought you could push an 80 gr bullet that fast in a 223 AI.
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Re: 22-250
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07/15/24 11:13 PM
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.223 Rem, 80 gr ELD-M 2870 fps
.223 A.I., 80 gr ELD-M 3050 fps
.22-250, 80 gr ELD-M 3150 fps
Clearly, the .223 A.I. gets the best fuel mileage. 22 Gaymoor 80.5 Berger 20" barrel 3300fps I'd give 2x the powder for 530fps...or 1.5x more for 250fps... What's the barrel lengths on those 3 JG? Length matters...at least that's what she said 
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Re: 22-250
[Re: Judd]
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07/15/24 11:27 PM
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.223 Rem, 80 gr ELD-M 2870 fps
.223 A.I., 80 gr ELD-M 3050 fps
.22-250, 80 gr ELD-M 3150 fps
Clearly, the .223 A.I. gets the best fuel mileage. 22 Gaymoor 80.5 Berger 20" barrel 3300fps I'd give 2x the powder for 530fps...or 1.5x more for 250fps... What's the barrel lengths on those 3 JG? Length matters...at least that's what she said .223 Rem, 22" .223 A.I. 24" .22-250 24"
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Re: 22-250
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07/15/24 11:27 PM
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Wow! Never would’ve thought you could push an 80 gr bullet that fast in a 223 AI. And less than 26.0 gr of powder. It is efficient!
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Re: 22-250
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07/15/24 11:35 PM
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.223 Rem, 80 gr ELD-M 2870 fps
.223 A.I., 80 gr ELD-M 3050 fps
.22-250, 80 gr ELD-M 3150 fps
. Now give them a 18” 22 CM that Horizon has piles of videos smoking deer with…factory 80 vldx ammo Freerange- But to answer your question , I’d take an 18” 22CM or 24” 223 on a Desert Sheep hunt if TTrophy was paying, I image I could make it a little more sporting and get with in 300 yards, instead of just taking shot where I lay. I fear the wind way more then bullet weight and diameter
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