None of the deer we shot in the vitals with a 223 and a partition failed to have an exit. None didn’t leave a blood trail and none went more than a typical heart lung shot deer ran with any of our 243, 7mm08, 30-06, 270, or 300’s.

I don’t care if you care what I like it was a figure of speach saying it’s not an accurate comparison.

A deer shot in the exact right spot with the exact right circumstances with a .22LR will die as fast and as close as deer shot with a 300 mag too. That does not mean it is the right tool for the job.

I looked all over that Winchester web page and saw no disclaimer or advisory regarding twist rate. You'd think they'd mention it.

How long do YOU want to discuss this?

So you are saying that this ammo works in your 22-250 with a 14" twist rate?

Same can be said for a 177 cal air rifle. Bullet in vitals and done deal. Use good bullets and shoot them where you normally do and collect your deer. You cannot get deader than dead.

If I did, you may quote me.

Well darn, never knew my 1:8 twist 22-250 was a varmint gun. A couple thousand hogs, couple hundred deer don't agree with that at all. Same with my 1:7 223. Never lost one, guess due to the interweb saying it won't work they will all start walking away now.
I trust me more than anyone, here's to more animals with a varmint gun, cheers!

Same, but the folks who self admittedly have never tried/done it know better.

8" twist vs 14" twist barrel- totally different animal. The 22-250 is a different round when you can shoot the better bullets.

What does that even mean? If, may.... yelp, that's the internet talking.

Be as dense as you like. I couldn't possibly care less, Oh Mighty King of THF.

Here ya go, Chad.






Take it up with Winchester. They obviously don't know what they're talking about. But give me a chance to buy some of their stock first.

Most anything will kill an animal. What matters is, can you find it after you shot it?

What is adaquate to use shooting a 120lb deer under a feeder at 75 yards is getting real risky shooting a 220 lb deer in thick brush or across a canyon.

Many of the people who say they have used a .22 caliber centerfire for years have never shot a buck over 3 years old or over 150 lbs on the hoof.

If you can limit yourself to neck or head shots at close range, it’s fine. But it’s foolish to advocate for a .22 centerfire as a general hunting round. Way too many variables for it to be considered a do all round.

It will work fine on one deer and the next your following a scant blood trail for several hundred yards thru the woods hoping you’ll find it.

Why risk it when it’s not necessary. A 6.5 cm or .260 has hardly any noticeable recoil and kills 10x’s better than a .22 centerfire.

But, like anything else, people want to discover the bare minimum and go with that…

Some are just better at doing more with less.

I suppose the OP has his answer. For me, if the 22-250 or the 220 Swift were all I had, yes I suppose I’d hunt with it. I’d use the 63 gr Sierra SMP on close shots only.

Or, get a 6.5 Grendel bolt gun
Or, use downloaded ammo in the 270
Or, rebarrel the 22-250 to something like 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, 6.5 CM.

Every time this subject comes up, I read every word, hoping to find some new info. But nope…same old same old.

As for me, I have a 220 Swift and 63 gr Sierras, but I’m not planning to shoot much of anything bigger than a coyote with it. Better options exist.

Fixed it for you.

People love having delusions of grandeur.

Because there is nothing new to find. it's been beat to death since the .220 swift was commercialized.


There are people who will argue that the .22 centerfire will work just as good as anything else, knows someone that uses it exclusively, etc. and then there is everyone else.


I pose it like this:

Say you are given a trophy deer hunt where you will shoot a 180" deer. If you kill it, its free. If you wound it, you pay $10k. Are you gonna take a .22 centerfire? No, because you don't have the odds of success with that cartridge as you do with anything .25 caliber and above.

So if you won't bet on it under those circumstances, why use it at all?


Like I have previously mentioned, I have used a .22-250 for shooting deer since I was 11, so that's 28 years and no telling how many deer I've shot with it. And I'll be the first one to tell people it's not a deer rifle. The results are too inconsistent to consider it for anything but selective use.

Been doing it since the late 60's, no compensating for inadequacies needed.

Pretty straight forward. If you’re twisted for enough bullet then use it for deer. If not, then don’t.

You win the thread.

Lots of “how to say you’ve not hunted with a heavier fast bullet in a fast twist without saying you’ve never hunted with a heavier bullet with a fast twist” going on in this thread…it hits like it’s the hand of God.

Said it on another thread here…anyone who speaks in absolutes as it pertains to bullet performance, ignore.



I’ll take that bet…but it’s going to be an 8 twist 80 grain bullet running 3300fps. When we going?

So you've got a .243 equivalent there. We all know what a hammer that round is.....

So now, the .243 is inadequate. Next up---forget the .257 Roberts.



Meh...screw that. Let's make it .25-06.

Bobo to the plate!

257 Roberts. The only thing I use factory ammo for. Putting that ammo in a Ruger 77 with a horrible trigger. Love that gun and the pigs hate those factory partitions.

Where’s Bobo when he’s needed?