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Nosler Bullet Question - Deer #9026126 03/28/24 10:48 PM
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I have a new 6.5 PRC rifle that I am pulling together and I would appreciate any input from Nosler bullet users - factory ammo or hand loads.

Targets: whitetail and any hogs that dares venture out, 100-250 yards is my typical shot - I would say 180yds is average shot.

I have never used either Accubonds or Ballistic Tips.

My pre-conceived notions:

> Accubond is probably hard to find a negative.

> Ballistic Tips "tear up too much meat"...but are they really that much different than a Hornady ELD-X?

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Partition or accubond for me


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Originally Posted by freerange
Partition or accubond for me


Same here. I have shot a 7mm Rem Mag for over 40 years and my rifle does well with both. I get just a little better accuracy with Accubonds than Partitions in my handloads but the difference is so slight it would make no difference in a hunting shot and is probably less than 1/8th of on inch in groups at 100 yards. I don't have much experience with BTs except for when I had a Contender with a 7mmTCU barrel and the 120 gr BT was deadly out of that.


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Originally Posted by Klinker
I have a new 6.5 PRC rifle that I am pulling together and I would appreciate any input from Nosler bullet users - factory ammo or hand loads.

Targets: whitetail and any hogs that dares venture out, 100-250 yards is my typical shot - I would say 180yds is average shot.

I have never used either Accubonds or Ballistic Tips.

My pre-conceived notions:

> Accubond is probably hard to find a negative.

> Ballistic Tips "tear up too much meat"...but are they really that much different than a Hornady ELD-X?


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Im a 139gr Lapua Scenar fan but its just a cup and core bullet like ballistic tip, I think its more like the VLD in that takes a little deeper before it expands, but I also pretty much only take High shoulder type shots anyway. I dont think you are going to find a bad bullet in the 130-156 range for the 6.5 PRC. Id roll with what ever groups the best.


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I have used ballistic tips on about 15 game animals I’ve shot the last 10 years. They work fantastic. They drop game and have always exited for me. Most were shot with 150s from a 308. They are my favorite hunting bullet.

If I was pushing them over 3000 fps at the muzzle, I’d likely go Accubond.

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I'm a fan of the ballistic tip also. Everything from coyotes to Elk have dropped in their tracks.


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For deer and hogs I would stay with ballistic tips.

I shoot accubonds but only if:

A. Hunting an area where I am I can have an overlap of bigger game species like Bear or Elk/Moose.

B. Shooting a very fast round like a .257 wby where a cup and core might be a little too frangible.


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My first choice for everything would be Accubonds, if I could still afford them or find them. I have used them successfully on elk and deer.

Partitions work well on elk, deer and hogs. I find them slightly less accurate than Accubonds in my handloads, as QMC said. Not really a problem unless you are shooting very long range.

Ballistic Tips had a reputation for being too explosive when they were first introduced, but I believe Nosler increased the jacket thickness a bit to mitigate that problem. Lots of hunters use them and are very happy with them. I have limited experience with them. On one deer, the jacket separated from the core, the core punched through, the jacket remained inside, the deer went 40 yards and down. I shot a couple others with a different Ballistic Tip bullet; they went right down and never moved.

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What bullet weight range are you considering? I'm a pretty big fan of Ballistic Tips and have run the 150 gr. BT out of a 270 pretty close to as fast as you can run a 140. I seldom shoot shoulders and have to say I had zero problems and have yet to recover one from a deer. Having used the 130 gr. BT in the same rifle run to just under 3100 fps yes I was impressed with the damage even just hitting ribs. The up side was deer going down very quickly. Seems that after 100 yards or so they are less dramatic but still effective.

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I shoot the 139 gr Lapua Scenar in one PRC and in the other one I shoot 140 gr Nosler Ballistic tips. Honestly, the ballistic tips are perfect for deer/pigs and I would even shoot bull elk with the Scenar. Deep penetration and plenty of damage. 130 gr Accubond would be a great tweener bullet but they are out of stock everywhere I looked.


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Nosler partition or accubond either one works! up

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I prefer Accubond on faster loads, but the BT will work just fine too.

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I’ve used ballistic tips in the 270 and 260 on maybe up to 200 deer. The 270 pushes bullets about like the 6.5 PRC does, so they should work just fine. Nosler says they are good to 3200 fps, but I have never pushed them that fast. Maybe 3000ish in the 270, with 130s and about that fast with 100 gr BTs in the 260. They are effective, and messy, so I try not to shoot deer in edible places. They work fine on hogs too, but rarely exit.

I just wish I could get more of the 100 gr for my 6.5 Grendel. I think that’s the perfect Grendel bullet.


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I always tell customers, I'll never talk you out of an Accubond (AB). The AB bullets are some of the best hunting bullets on the market. For the 6.5mm, I have the 130 and 140 AB in stock, as well as the 129 and 142 LR AB. I'm not that big of fan of the LR AB bullets, but the regular white tip AB are a good bullet. I can load them in the 6.5 PRC no problem. Thanks for the props!!


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My preference is a partition for an intended hunting load. That said think all will do just fine. I shot 140 and 150 grain nbt’s for several years out of a 270 with great results. Who 2 with them last year out of a box I was give. And bam they still worked well.


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Originally Posted by ChadTRG42
I always tell customers, I'll never talk you out of an Accubond (AB). The AB bullets are some of the best hunting bullets on the market. For the 6.5mm, I have the 130 and 140 AB in stock, as well as the 129 and 142 LR AB. I'm not that big of fan of the LR AB bullets, but the regular white tip AB are a good bullet. I can load them in the 6.5 PRC no problem. Thanks for the props!!


Not to hijack, but what's the issue with the LR? I've heard folks suggest they're soft or hard to tune a load, but the expansion at lower velocity seems at least attractive in a PRC for something deer/pronghorn size at range further than the OP indicated.


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I always tell customers, I'll never talk you out of an Accubond (AB). The AB bullets are some of the best hunting bullets on the market. For the 6.5mm, I have the 130 and 140 AB in stock, as well as the 129 and 142 LR AB. I'm not that big of fan of the LR AB bullets, but the regular white tip AB are a good bullet. I can load them in the 6.5 PRC no problem. Thanks for the props!!


Not to hijack, but what's the issue with the LR? I've heard folks suggest they're soft or hard to tune a load, but the expansion at lower velocity seems at least attractive in a PRC for something deer/pronghorn size at range further than the OP indicated.


Im had extremely good luck with them on game with 6.5 CM but they arent the most consistent. Infact for 6.5 CM they are my favorite on game performance, but they arent near as consistent as accuracy wise as the Scenars or VLD’s


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I always tell customers, I'll never talk you out of an Accubond (AB). The AB bullets are some of the best hunting bullets on the market. For the 6.5mm, I have the 130 and 140 AB in stock, as well as the 129 and 142 LR AB. I'm not that big of fan of the LR AB bullets, but the regular white tip AB are a good bullet. I can load them in the 6.5 PRC no problem. Thanks for the props!!


Not to hijack, but what's the issue with the LR? I've heard folks suggest they're soft or hard to tune a load, but the expansion at lower velocity seems at least attractive in a PRC for something deer/pronghorn size at range further than the OP indicated.


Im had extremely good luck with them on game with 6.5 CM but they arent the most consistent. Infact for 6.5 CM they are my favorite on game performance, but they arent near as consistent as accuracy wise as the Scenars or VLD’s


I have only used them ABLR in the 6.5 Grendel and though not quite as accurate as the 130 Berger in it they are IMO much better on game. By not quite as accurate I mean typical 3 hot groups at 100 yards from my rifle .3 to .5 MOA with the Berger and .5 to .75 from the ABLR though rither shoots very well out to 600 yards on 8 to 12 inch rocks at 600 yards so good enough for me. In fairness to the ABLR I just tried one load that had worked with the Berger and another bullet so haven't really given it a fair chance but is plenty accurate for the hunting I do these days inside 200 yards. .


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There's a few problems with the Long Range Accubonds (LR AB).

First, they are under sized. A typical 6.5mm bullet is .264" in diameter. I've measured several in the .261 to .263 range in diameter. On the 7mm LR AB, I've seen .281", which should be .284".

Second, to allow these bullets to expand at the lower impact speeds they were meant for, the bonding process softens up the lead. These bullets are VERY soft. So soft, that if I don't have the proper seating stem mated up to the bullet, it will ring the bullet from the seating pressure during loading. And if there is too much neck tension, it will still ring the bullet.

Third, I've done enough load work ups on these bullets to know that they don't shoot as good as other projectiles. Sure, so do shoot well. Bobo's 6.5 CM 129 LR AB loads shot very well, as some other customers have reported good accuracy with that bullet in the 6.5 CM. I've done some 300 WM with 190 LR AB that would shoot half moa. But there are multiple calibers I can't get them to shoot well in. The 150 LR AB in a 270 Winchester- Fuhgeddaboudit!! I tried like heck to get this bullet to work in my 270 Win. That rifle will shoot 3/4 moa with ease, but I was getting 2-3 moa with the 150 LR AB. It just isn't meant to be. I tried multiple powders and loads to get it to shoot well. The only thing I didn't do was slow it down for accuracy, but what's the point in that. I'm not sure if it's a stability issue in a 10" twist or what.


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Originally Posted by ChadTRG42
There's a few problems with the Long Range Accubonds (LR AB).

First, they are under sized. A typical 6.5mm bullet is .264" in diameter. I've measured several in the .261 to .263 range in diameter. On the 7mm LR AB, I've seen .281", which should be .284".

Second, to allow these bullets to expand at the lower impact speeds they were meant for, the bonding process softens up the lead. These bullets are VERY soft. So soft, that if I don't have the proper seating stem mated up to the bullet, it will ring the bullet from the seating pressure during loading. And if there is too much neck tension, it will still ring the bullet.

Third, I've done enough load work ups on these bullets to know that they don't shoot as good as other projectiles. Sure, so do shoot well. Bobo's 6.5 CM 129 LR AB loads shot very well, as some other customers have reported good accuracy with that bullet in the 6.5 CM. I've done some 300 WM with 190 LR AB that would shoot half moa. But there are multiple calibers I can't get them to shoot well in. The 150 LR AB in a 270 Winchester- Fuhgeddaboudit!! I tried like heck to get this bullet to work in my 270 Win. That rifle will shoot 3/4 moa with ease, but I was getting 2-3 moa with the 150 LR AB. It just isn't meant to be. I tried multiple powders and loads to get it to shoot well. The only thing I didn't do was slow it down for accuracy, but what's the point in that. I'm not sure if it's a stability issue in a 10" twist or what.



Now it makes sense why I could be sub moa close and have more random results at long range.

Under 300 zero issues. Still one of the better performing on game bullets for 6.5 CM IMO, and since they are really soft it makes sense why with the lower CM velocities


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by ChadTRG42
There's a few problems with the Long Range Accubonds (LR AB).

First, they are under sized. A typical 6.5mm bullet is .264" in diameter. I've measured several in the .261 to .263 range in diameter. On the 7mm LR AB, I've seen .281", which should be .284".

Second, to allow these bullets to expand at the lower impact speeds they were meant for, the bonding process softens up the lead. These bullets are VERY soft. So soft, that if I don't have the proper seating stem mated up to the bullet, it will ring the bullet from the seating pressure during loading. And if there is too much neck tension, it will still ring the bullet.

Third, I've done enough load work ups on these bullets to know that they don't shoot as good as other projectiles. Sure, so do shoot well. Bobo's 6.5 CM 129 LR AB loads shot very well, as some other customers have reported good accuracy with that bullet in the 6.5 CM. I've done some 300 WM with 190 LR AB that would shoot half moa. But there are multiple calibers I can't get them to shoot well in. The 150 LR AB in a 270 Winchester- Fuhgeddaboudit!! I tried like heck to get this bullet to work in my 270 Win. That rifle will shoot 3/4 moa with ease, but I was getting 2-3 moa with the 150 LR AB. It just isn't meant to be. I tried multiple powders and loads to get it to shoot well. The only thing I didn't do was slow it down for accuracy, but what's the point in that. I'm not sure if it's a stability issue in a 10" twist or what.



Now it makes sense why I could be sub moa close and have more random results at long range.

Under 300 zero issues. Still one of the better performing on game bullets for 6.5 CM IMO, and since they are really soft it makes sense why with the lower CM velocities





I was really optimistic about trying out the LR, but based on your experiences sounds like the regular ol AB is the better path. I'm personally never looking for a long range shot on an animal necessarily, but if the circumstances should arise I like to have confidence in my equipment. Even then, I doubt I would ever take anything beyond 600, which is where it seems many of the Accubond calibers reach their minimum velocity for expansion as it were. Probably better as Chad says to keep your efforts in maintaining velocity rather than hoping the construction of the bullet will do it for you. Appreciate y'all sharing your opinions.


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There's a few problems with the Long Range Accubonds (LR AB).

First, they are under sized. A typical 6.5mm bullet is .264" in diameter. I've measured several in the .261 to .263 range in diameter. On the 7mm LR AB, I've seen .281", which should be .284".

Second, to allow these bullets to expand at the lower impact speeds they were meant for, the bonding process softens up the lead. These bullets are VERY soft. So soft, that if I don't have the proper seating stem mated up to the bullet, it will ring the bullet from the seating pressure during loading. And if there is too much neck tension, it will still ring the bullet.

Third, I've done enough load work ups on these bullets to know that they don't shoot as good as other projectiles. Sure, so do shoot well. Bobo's 6.5 CM 129 LR AB loads shot very well, as some other customers have reported good accuracy with that bullet in the 6.5 CM. I've done some 300 WM with 190 LR AB that would shoot half moa. But there are multiple calibers I can't get them to shoot well in. The 150 LR AB in a 270 Winchester- Fuhgeddaboudit!! I tried like heck to get this bullet to work in my 270 Win. That rifle will shoot 3/4 moa with ease, but I was getting 2-3 moa with the 150 LR AB. It just isn't meant to be. I tried multiple powders and loads to get it to shoot well. The only thing I didn't do was slow it down for accuracy, but what's the point in that. I'm not sure if it's a stability issue in a 10" twist or what.



Now it makes sense why I could be sub moa close and have more random results at long range.

Under 300 zero issues. Still one of the better performing on game bullets for 6.5 CM IMO, and since they are really soft it makes sense why with the lower CM velocities





I was really optimistic about trying out the LR, but based on your experiences sounds like the regular ol AB is the better path. I'm personally never looking for a long range shot on an animal necessarily, but if the circumstances should arise I like to have confidence in my equipment. Even then, I doubt I would ever take anything beyond 600, which is where it seems many of the Accubond calibers reach their minimum velocity for expansion as it were. Probably better as Chad says to keep your efforts in maintaining velocity rather than hoping the construction of the bullet will do it for you. Appreciate y'all sharing your opinions.


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Im a 139gr Lapua Scenar fan but dont think you can go wrong with the 130 AB in the prc



The two exact bullets I pick for my PRC as well. Killed loads of hogs with the 130 AB in the CM as well.

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