Several people on here have expressed difficulty in seeing FFP reticles at lower magnification. As for precision, you are correct that it makes no difference to most outside of the bench world, but why say “no good reason to go MOA”?…that would make even LESS good reason to go MILS. MOA and MIL scopes are equally appropriate in the hunting world.

That's 100% true if you take 75 yard shots to a feeder.

I explained this in person to a buddy the other day. He was dead set on MOA for his first long range scope for the precision reason you mentioned. I asked him to show me his most recent group and then explained how irrelevant that difference was. By the time the explanation was over, he realized the ease in quickly calculating wind hold changes for a .6 mil wind hold versus the difficulty with a 2.25 MOA wind hold if your wind value suddenly goes to 1.5 or 1.75 or .75. I don't doubt that you can make hits with MOA, but there are zero situations where it's superior to mils in the hunting world. There are lots of scenarios where mils is superior. This isn't even opinion - it's just math.

he already bought his scope fellas

Understand. I'm just trying to clarify inaccuracies in case a new shooter reads this thread down the road.

Hmmmm….wind holds. As long as both have MOA or MIL reticles there is little to no difference other than guessing between, 0 and 1 MIL vs 2 and 3 MOA. As far as precision is concerned, the shooter and/or gun may not be able to take advantage but it is still a fact that MOA is more precise. Your statement that there is no reason to go with MOA in a hunting situation is blatantly false.

All the 100y wind holders

FFP is the dumbest hunting idea for anyone over the age of 45. (see how stupid and biased that sounds?) You're stating a whole lot of opinions that are not just math facts as you indicate.

Here is a 100% fact...I cannot see a 5 times or 6 times FFP crosshair on low powers in low light. So again, tell me how great an FFP scope is if I cannot see the reticle?

A unit of wind measurement is a unit of wind measurement it doesn't matter if it's MOA or MIL, it's just a unit of measurement and you need to know it. I'd venture to say most hunting guys have either rarely held wind or never held wind. (read that again, it's an important fact of this audience) You're using an argument that for 95% (probably being generous giving 5% for this board) of this audience it's not applicable too. Thinking back, I've held wind one time and should've held it another in a hunting scenario...truth is I missed neither but it wasn't where I wanted to hit them.

I've used this example thousands of times...guide or buddy standing/sitting next to you....you shoot over the back or to the right of an animal, how will 99% of people communicate the unit of measurement? 'nuff said...I can convert their until of measurement much faster on an moa scope that I can any mil. If the guys I hunt with talked mils versus the American unit of measurement, I'd have a SFP mil scope to hunt with. The folks I hunt with, do not talk mils. Now, you put me in a operator world...I'll have a mil FFP scope but for none of the reasons you state. It's what they talk and use...matter of fact, I own one...it's not on a hunting rig.

A fact that really is just math...a .1 mil is .33" a 1/4 moa is .25" so a MOA scopes adjustments are more precise.

I try to stay out of the richard measuring stuff but in the spirit of clearing up inaccuracies in the case a new shooter reads this In short, they both have their place and one can be superior for different applications...but it's not a cut and dry answer and it appears the market's opinion agrees...otherwise, we'd just have one option.

6.5 Creedmoor 5 mph, 3 or 9 o'clock to the shot

MOA
200 yards, 1/2
300 yards, 3/4
400 yards, 1
500 yards, 1 1/4
600 yards, 1 1/2

Mil
200 yards .1
300 yards .2
400 yards .3
500 yards .4
600 yards .5

Now is a 2-3 mph wind, mutiply your values by .5

Now it's a 7-8 mph wind, mutiply your values by 1.5

Now it's a 10 mph wind, mutiply your values by 2

Now it's a 12-13 mph wind, mutiply your values by 2.5

Which one is easier to remember and mutiply by?

15 inches to the left

Both are easy, this is grade school 101, do it in your head, math.

6 CM, 105 Match Burner, 3000fps, 5 mph full value wind. MOA

100 - .3
200 - .6
300 - .9
400 - 1.2

At 400 yards…..full value wind

4 mph - 1.0
8 mph - 2.0
12 mph - 3.0
16 mph- 4.0

MILS or MOA, find the right wind, yardage, speed combination and you can come up with easy to remember numbers. Unfortunately Mother Nature rarely has the same idea.

Best post ever!

NX8 2.5 x 20 Nightforce.

It is over your budget but it would be a perfect optic for such a nice rifle.

I definitely wouldnt put a vortex on a very nice custom rifle like yours.

Just my 2 cents