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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:18 AM
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The first sentence says that TPWD received confirmation?
When they sample a deer, the sample goes to TVDML.
They use half of the sample to test. Obex gets cut in half and they use 1 lymph node.
If they get a positive result, the other half goes to Ohio and they then test that sample.
Every positive from A&M has been backed up by Ohio, until this Kerr deer. So the one from Coleman is a confirmed positive from a free range deer?
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:19 AM
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Of course. So did they really kill the 50 deer?
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:21 AM
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The first sentence says that TPWD received confirmation?
When they sample a deer, the sample goes to TVDML.
They use half of the sample to test. Obex gets cut in half and they use 1 lymph node.
If they get a positive result, the other half goes to Ohio and they then test that sample.
Every positive from A&M has been backed up by Ohio, until this Kerr deer. So the one from Coleman is a confirmed positive from a free range deer? Yes, back in December
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:24 AM
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NGHTTRN
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Of course. So did they really kill the 50 deer? Yes, before any confirmation (normally nothing happens before confirmation) "out of an abundance of caution"
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:34 AM
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We have a disease which is not there and get hasty. Sounds like settled science to me. Really gives me some good feelings and an abundance of trust in TP&W. Fifty killed for what turns out to be no (zero) reason. I can hear it now, social distancing, masks and shutdowns work. Sure am glad we have some able bodied, sharp as a whip rocket surgeons leading us correctly.
“Let them eat cake. “
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:39 AM
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Unbelievable but unfortunately, it is not.
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:40 AM
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What a waste of a potential case study.
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:44 AM
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We are willing to kill the people’s deer even if we don’t need to. Government does what free enterprise won’t - and then make excuses without any direct consequences.
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 01:44 AM
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 02:00 AM
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The whole thing is ridiculous and Parks is getting out of hand.
They dont really know what to do from what I understand and the people that are assigned to this are too busy with breeder positives to give linked release sites the attention they deserve.
This is taking over peoples lives that are multi generation ranchers. They received plans from TPWD that they cant comply to but almost forced to sign it.
Multiple people I know that used to enjoy what they're doing, are now stuck in a perpetual nightmare.
On top of it all, people that met all the terms set in their herd plan are now not being released from the plan.
Anyway, thats enough CWD for me this evening.
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 02:04 AM
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The whole thing is ridiculous and Parks is getting out of hand.
They dont really know what to do from what I understand and the people that are assigned to this are too busy with breeder positives to give linked release sites the attention they deserve.
This is taking over peoples lives that are multi generation ranchers. They received plans from TPWD that they cant comply to but almost forced to sign it.
Multiple people I know that used to enjoy what they're doing, are now stuck in a perpetual nightmare.
On top of it all, people that met all the terms set in their herd plan are now not being released from the plan.
Anyway, thats enough CWD for me this evening. Spot on.
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 02:15 AM
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CWD was first discovered in Texas in 2012. It was going to decimate our deer herd. That has been the fear mongering message for the last 10 years. In 2013, the estimated deer population in Texas was 3.6 million. Current population estimates are well over 5 million. This time period includes at least two significant droughts. If this doesn’t illustrate the absolute horse crap being sold by TPWD, I don’t know what will.
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 02:52 AM
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The first sentence says that TPWD received confirmation?
When they sample a deer, the sample goes to TVDML.
They use half of the sample to test. Obex gets cut in half and they use 1 lymph node.
If they get a positive result, the other half goes to Ohio and they then test that sample.
Every positive from A&M has been backed up by Ohio, until this Kerr deer. So the one from Coleman is a confirmed positive from a free range deer? Yes, back in December Well that’s not good.
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Re: CWD article
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01/20/24 05:38 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but when you look at the number of cases over the last twenty years. Then compare it the number of harvested deer, free range deer, I don't see a problem. Besides research is showing it doesn't affect humans. There are worse stuff out there than this... IMO
Longhunter >>>-------> Make It Count!!!<><
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 03:33 AM
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Of course. So did they really kill the 50 deer? Oh and its 66+1 They killed 67 deer that ALL TESTED NEGATIVE
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 06:06 AM
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Of course. So did they really kill the 50 deer? Oh and its 66+1 They killed 67 deer that ALL TESTED NEGATIVE You really think any were ever going to be released as positive? They didn’t kill any deer in Dec with first “ false positive” so why didn't they wait for final confirmation the second time, like they did first time? They couldn't wait two weeks.. I smell a rat, I mean a positive in that facility would kill the narrative and funding programs nation wide. Even the testing lab would dry up, with no federal grants to test.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 12:04 PM
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Always take advantage of a crisis. It’s what governmental entities are taught early on. The second thing would be don’t let a crisis go to waste.
Either way here, ineptitude at its finest.
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 02:54 PM
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Of course. So did they really kill the 50 deer? Oh and its 66+1 They killed 67 deer that ALL TESTED NEGATIVE You really think any were ever going to be released as positive? They didn’t kill any deer in Dec with first “ false positive” so why didn't they wait for final confirmation the second time, like they did first time? They couldn't wait two weeks.. I smell a rat, I mean a positive in that facility would kill the narrative and funding programs nation wide. Even the testing lab would dry up, with no federal grants to test. It only happened once, were talking about the same positive (1 deer). That initial positive came from A&M, they just didnt wait for the confirmation, like they normally do at breeder facilities. The narrative is already dead. The positive in Medina county this fall is from a 9 year closed herd. That means no transferred deer INTO the facility for 9 years. They have no idea what the all the vectors are.
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 05:08 PM
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Of course. So did they really kill the 50 deer? Oh and its 66+1 They killed 67 deer that ALL TESTED NEGATIVE You really think any were ever going to be released as positive? They didn’t kill any deer in Dec with first “ false positive” so why didn't they wait for final confirmation the second time, like they did first time? They couldn't wait two weeks.. I smell a rat, I mean a positive in that facility would kill the narrative and funding programs nation wide. Even the testing lab would dry up, with no federal grants to test. It only happened once, were talking about the same positive (1 deer). That initial positive came from A&M, they just didnt wait for the confirmation, like they normally do at breeder facilities. The narrative is already dead. The positive in Medina county this fall is from a 9 year closed herd. That means no transferred deer INTO the facility for 9 years. They have no idea what the all the vectors are. No it happened twice, My dates were off according to TPWD, it was May and Oct. One doe, one buck
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 06:49 PM
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Oh and its 66+1
They killed 67 deer that ALL TESTED NEGATIVE
You really think any were ever going to be released as positive? They didn’t kill any deer in Dec with first “ false positive” so why didn't they wait for final confirmation the second time, like they did first time? They couldn't wait two weeks.. I smell a rat, I mean a positive in that facility would kill the narrative and funding programs nation wide. Even the testing lab would dry up, with no federal grants to test. It only happened once, were talking about the same positive (1 deer). That initial positive came from A&M, they just didnt wait for the confirmation, like they normally do at breeder facilities. The narrative is already dead. The positive in Medina county this fall is from a 9 year closed herd. That means no transferred deer INTO the facility for 9 years. They have no idea what the all the vectors are. No it happened twice, My dates were off according to TPWD, it was May and Oct. One doe, one buck That doe was presumptive on a different test. RT-QuIC is not a regulatory test. They didnt do a rectal or tonsil on her. They killed all them anyway.
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 08:52 PM
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It really bothers me P&W killed all the deer in a pen. I don't know how many that is but it's too many, I'm sure they had no choice. I know so very little about these things.
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 09:33 PM
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It really bothers me P&W killed all the deer in a pen. I don't know how many that is but it's too many, I'm sure they had no choice. I know so very little about these things. That puts you on the same page with them.
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 10:30 PM
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That doe was presumptive on a different test. RT-QuIC is not a regulatory test. They didnt do a rectal or tonsil on her.
They killed all them anyway.
RT-QuIC is more sensitive and can pick up CWD before the scrapie's test. The second test went to Iowa not Ohio, But none the less thats Two deer that they claim as false positive. That herd was killed quickly before it could ruin the national narrative. Thats the best cover up of 23.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 11:03 PM
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LOL...I am on no one's same page as I don't know enough to do that...just makes sense for someone to make a decision such as that with all the weight that goes with that ..they did what had to be done by their standards, I suppose. I would think it was a hard decision. I don't like killing off a herd of deer without proof that indicates process's that have such consequences. I would like a complete explanation of why..not just a statement. I know how I would feel if I was told to carry out such a horrendous job. Again, I take no position, as I am not smart enough nor informed enough to take sides one way or other. However, I do understand why others feel the way they do. I have made it known I don't approve of killing off a herd without knowledge of how it spreads and how fast it spreads. Again, I think I have explained my position, clearly, as I don't buy in to killing off a herd on suppositions...I believe in facts that tells the story and gives a direction. So, I think you can turn this page...LOL
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Re: CWD article
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01/21/24 11:42 PM
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LOL...I am on no one's same page as I don't know enough to do that...just makes sense for someone to make a decision such as that with all the weight that goes with that ..they did what had to be done by their standards, I suppose. I would think it was a hard decision. I don't like killing off a herd of deer without proof that indicates process's that have such consequences. I would like a complete explanation of why..not just a statement. I know how I would feel if I was told to carry out such a horrendous job. Again, I take no position, as I am not smart enough nor informed enough to take sides one way or other. However, I do understand why others feel the way they do. I have made it known I don't approve of killing off a herd without knowledge of how it spreads and how fast it spreads. Again, I think I have explained my position, clearly, as I don't buy in to killing off a herd on suppositions...I believe in facts that tells the story and gives a direction. So, I think you can turn this page...LOL simple question, why didnt they kill all the deer before second test on the first doe that had the initial pop hot? They waited for results of second test called it false positive, But they change protocol and kill the herd before second test even comes back on the later Buck, which they now say was clear. laugh all you want but if it comes out that CWD was in a 40 plus year closed double high fenced research facility, it destroys a huge narrative in transmission, and millions in fundings to state agencies and labs, and potentially opens up huge litigation
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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