Thanks BOBO for the info..has anyone called Kerr wildlife and ask these questions? Seems though we all deserve some answers.

At best they are just gonna lie to you. At worst they will refuse to answer you.


When the whole CWD thing first started with the tarpley case I heard from an extremely reliable source that TPWD had previously tested 4 positive cases for CWD off roadkill whitetail that they didn’t report or make public. This was prior to the Patterson deer being found.

It didn’t serve a purpose to announce it so they let it slide. It was only a matter of time before they found it in a high fence or breeder scenario, which is what they wanted.

Now they are faced with two cases that disproves everything being purported about CWD and its “ooops, we got two false positives here”.


As mentioned this is nothing but a coverup save face and avoid having to answer hard questions.

all the student PHD etc grad assistants and biologists are just doing what they are told too.

This horrible case of two deer getting the disease does answer some of my questions:
1. This disease may not be spread from deer to deer in the air
2. The disease may come from the waste matter from a deer.
3. This disease may come from the ground.
4. This disease may come from feed from outside the pen.
So, this leaves me with a question for the scientist : has there been a conclusion as to where the CWD comes from? I'm sure something has been determined and published. Some folks here may have the information.
Just curious...they say it comes from a prone(?spelling)...ok..where does the prone come from? I'm sure this has been determined and published.
I would like someone that has all the questions to give a seminar to give us answers.
One more question: if the disease doesn't kill the animal necessarily and it does not effect us humans ..then what's all this mean and why then be concern?
Just curious...

Thanks Longhunter for the video on CWD. I enjoyed it and learned a few things.

Is it true that the two deer from Kerr are the only two TX false positives ever reported by the Iowa lab?

Yes.

Hmmm . . .

Wait, maybe there was another false positive - some poor breeder in northern central TX had a positive test last year in March and then the second test came in negative. Apparently, TPWD and TAHC hid the results from the second test. Again, hmmmm . . . .

After they had put out a kill order on all his deer too. A&M had the results and owner got run around from TPWD, He got mad went to A&M direct and got the right person that didnt know she wasnt allowed to release them, Owner knew the results were false. long time closed
herd and I think hunter killed deer. Hummmmmmm

Unfortunately an agenda around

Does TPWD compensate the owner of these deer killed? Especially when it is determined the deer were not infected.

Only breeders get indemnity funds from USDA/TAHC once the depopulation is done.
Doesnt matter if they test positive or negative for having prions.

The trace sites do not get compensated if they kill the trace animals.

The breeder indemnity pay is not market value or even remotely close.

FYI the one in Medina was a TC1 closed herd for nine years. They did the depop last month.

Thanks,Nghhttrn for the info abut compensation for uninfected deer. How long does the rancher/ breeder have to wait before he can bring more deer in considering no infection? Not familiar with TC1.

Still trying to figure all this out after years...what exactly is the “motive” of the cwd talk?

For me it is to learn woodduckhunter.

The TP&W enacted sanctions go well beyond depopulation and include extensive terrain management like scraping 6 -12 inches of soil from the "affected pens" and then disposing of it. There is much more to it than just that. I believe this cost the guy in Utopia in exces of a million dollars.. Current estimates for another facility where TP&W is trying to exact some overwrought, draconian measures could bring the expected expenses to in excess of $1.5 million and yes, that is real money. Smaller guys are getting out as they fear a financial armageddon. I have seen statistics where the number of these facilities has imploded to less than 20% of what the number was just five years ago. If you don't like what these guys are doing, that is fine. Just be legitimate about your actions - something which appears to be missing at present.

Have a buddy who recently bought several thousand acres down south and yes, it is HF. On a couple of thousand acres, they had photos and first hand observation of only 6 WT on the place. Two bucks and four does. I was there when one of the bucks was shot and I truly believe he was a 4 1/2 year old four point and maybe five years old. Prior owners decimated the native herd in lieu of exotics. Think canned hunts - it had been one of those kind of ranches where they bought WT brought them into a large pen and then sold "trophy hunts". My bud has time, money and a great deal of determination. He is trying to reestablish the WT herd while seriously depleting the exotics. At this point, it is believed the auodad are gone and the blackbuck herds have been decimated. Now they would like to secure bred WT does to get started rejuvenating the deer herd. No TTT, no help from TP&W and I wish them good luck with that effort. Frankly, you would think TP&W would bend over backwards to help these individuals with the reintroduction of a WT deer herd on several square miles of prime south TX WT deer habitat.

Great advances have been made in diseases that affect humans in the last 50 years. The reason for these advances is that scientists study people with the disease and come up with answers. Can you imagine how few diseases would be under control if the only remedy for human diseases would be to put people down? Even if those deer have the disease, I would think that more could be learned from observation of a sick deer than shooting all the deer involved and burying the carcasses. Just an observation of practicality.

Hudbone, send me a message if they still want does.

Too late for bred does, but can get plenty open does this fall. I can talk you through the process if you want me to.

Prices of deer are doubled this year, FYI.

TC1 is the highest ranking a breeding facility can have with TPWD.

Their acquisition of bred does ended up working out. Well aware of the price increases - can't remember the exact price they paid, but it was eye opening.

So we are making people decimate their herds(which are worth however much), and essentially spend millions reclaiming the dirt, but we don’t know if it comes from the dirt, air, other animals, or aliens? When you can smell it, there’s a pile around there somewhere

Yeat, eat cake and trust the "science".

I understand one guy is into it now for 3 miillion smackers. TPWD had 500 killed after one died and had a positive test. Did nto die of CWD, died and had a piositive test - there is a difference. Think Covid mortality determinations and you get it. So of those 500, none tested positive for CWD. Yep, that's right - NONE. Herd paln implemented by TPWD is passed on with land if willed to heirs or sold to new owners.

TPWD no longer compensates breeders for deer. They do cover all the cost of depopulation.

Well unfortunately, I have to admit that I am”one of those”. I never paid enough attention to it or even educated myself on the happenings with cwd because it always seemed to be aimed towards deer breeding and/or pen deer. Neither of which pertain to myself or hunting group. But as with other things, it’s a foot in the door. Like reporting turkeys now, and the deal with mountain lion hunting. Other states and areas have cwd check/deer check stations for 100% wild free ranging deer. What is the protocol for when one pops positive at one of these? Go strip 6-12 inches off the ranch/property and dispose of it? Can become a real sticky situation for all. (Tpwd, deer breeders, land owners, and ALL deer hunters)

Nope, if we get a positive test result we just dump the meat if we want to.
CWD prions are in the soil and plants along with animals.

Interesting study starting up on composting and cwd remains at Sybille, be interesting to see if composting affects the prions from positive elk carcasses.

By the way we have mandatory reporting for several species upon take, not a threat to our hunting at all. Just data for the biologists for management.