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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 10:45 PM
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Note: most FTX bullets have a different trim length than normal. It’s shorter. Do you mean you have to trim the case a little shorter to keep the ogive out of the case mouth? I think that must be what you mean, just want to be sure. I can not speak to 30-30 as I have not loaded it yet, but with 45/70 and .357, the ogive makes the bullet a little longer, and if you do not trim the case back a little, the case will be too long to function in a magazine, or the case mouth will be up on the ogive. So yes. You are correct.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
[Re: unclebubba]
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01/11/24 10:52 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 11:13 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.html
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 11:15 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.html+1 Really is a game changer when it comes to trimming. I don't hate it or look at it as a PITA any longer, just a step in the process. If I didn't already have the Giraud...I'd look at the Henderson and compare the two to your needs/wants. It's newer on the market and getting lots of positive feedback too. Saying that, the Giraud is not money I wish I hadn't spent on reloading.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 11:22 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.html+1 Really is a game changer when it comes to trimming. I don't hate it or look at it as a PITA any longer, just a step in the process. If I didn't already have the Giraud...I'd look at the Henderson and compare the two to your needs/wants. It's newer on the market and getting lots of positive feedback too. Saying that, the Giraud is not money I wish I hadn't spent on reloading. My only regret is waiting as long as I did.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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For us poor folks Frankfort Arsenal makes a nice trimmer that fits on your drill.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlI believe I am quoting you with this. " With reloading, there is cheap, fast, and accurate. You can only have two of those." That tool is too expensive for me! On another note, I pulled out my Lyman 50th edition, and Lyman notes that you must trim the cases shorter for both .357 and 45/70 with FTX bullets, but Lyman does not make that notation for 30/30.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
[Re: unclebubba]
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01/11/24 11:58 PM
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357, possibly 44 and 45-70 for sure you have to but think for 30-30 you are good to go.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlI believe I am quoting you with this. " With reloading, there is cheap, fast, and accurate. You can only have two of those." That tool is too expensive for me! On another note, I pulled out my Lyman 50th edition, and Lyman notes that you must trim the cases shorter for both .357 and 45/70 with FTX bullets, but Lyman does not make that notation for 30/30. Cheap, Right, Fast You can have only two. It applies to ANYTHING. I built my house myself. It is very, very right, and I saved a crazy amount of money. It took 14 months.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/12/24 03:12 AM
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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Mike, if you can't afford a $500 case trimmer that reliable sources praise, you can't afford to AI a 30-30 for little gain. I can't afford it either.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/12/24 10:10 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlThat tool is too expensive for me! As I've gotten older, my time is getting more and more expensive
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlThat tool is too expensive for me! As I've gotten older, my time is getting more and more expensive Me too. But if my budget is limited, I'd rather spend $500 on Primers, bullets, and powder than a new trimmer.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/12/24 10:24 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlThat tool is too expensive for me! As I've gotten older, my time is getting more and more expensive Definitely a supply and demand thing. When I was in my 40s I had no idea, and even my 50s but I only began to understand. These days, don't waste a minute of my time (like Verizon did to me last night---took three hours from my life I'll never get back and I won't ever forgive them!) or I may get irate and the last thing you want to see is a bill for it.
"Arguing with you always makes me thirsty." -Augustus McRae
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
[Re: unclebubba]
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01/14/24 07:35 PM
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Wouldn’t mess with it, it’s throwing darts.
Shot placement is paramount anyways.
JG brought up a good point, if a 22LR will do it, so will a 30-30
Just guesstimating but it will probably still deliver 1000 lbs of energy at 250.
Plenty of knock down for a deer imo.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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07/23/24 07:30 PM
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Coincidentally, I spent some time the last few days prepping .30-30 brass. I treated it just like I would treat brass for one of my bolt actions. FL size, trim, chamfer and debur, and debured the flash holes. Because I don't want to use up my CCI-200 or Fed 210 primers, I primed with Winchester Large Rifle. They don't tend to produce the lowest ES, but I'm going to have to accept that, for this project.
I have Leverloution powder, and am loaded with a 150 gr Hornady round nose. I will be doing a load development, like I would for any other rifle. Looking for what charge shoots the best, and making sure it is safe ammo. My rifle us a 1994 made Marlin 336. I will let you know what I learn. Leverloution is supposed to generate significantly more velocity than any other powder that is appropriate for .30-30
If we can put a Mil based scope on a .22 lr and make hits at 300 yards, and more, then the .30-30 can absolutely do it as well. The unknown is the energy delivery. That is unknown, because I haven't shot it yet and learned what MV it's going to have. My bullet won't have a very good BC, but it will give you an idea of the velocity potential with a 150 gr.
My rifle is currently wearing irons, the way God intended. If I still possess a scope base, I will put a scope on it for load development, and then take it back off once I'm done. Bumping this old thread. Jason, curious to know what you learned reloading your 30/30 with leverevolution powder.
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