texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
RangoRoofer, Bdshelt0, RDVTX, mattsm55, TM Hunter
72100 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 110,804
bill oxner 91,416
SnakeWrangler 65,544
stxranchman 60,296
Gravytrain 46,950
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
Stub 44,056
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics538,647
Posts9,739,496
Members87,100
Most Online25,604
Feb 12th, 2024
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8979593 12/29/23 01:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 11,952
S
Simple Searcher Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 11,952
Originally Posted by MWTX270
I tried some snares about 3 years ago and snared more deer and coons than I did coyotes. Didn’t mind catching the coons , but counterproductive catching the deer.

I have snared several hundred coons, bobcats, foxes, skunks, possums, armadillos, porcupines, and coyotes. Never one single deer.


[Linked Image]

"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8979688 12/29/23 04:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
L
LeftHandStan Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
L
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66

Re: Coyotes [Re: LeftHandStan] #8979725 12/29/23 05:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 795
BbarVRanch Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 795


Everything in that link is geared toward protecting all wildlife. Predators included.

Sorry, as an ex govt hunter, I ain't buying it. I have seen too much, and learned too much to buy into this stuff. Reality of wildlife management seldom meets expectations of political agenda.

Keep trying though. wink

Re: Coyotes [Re: LeftHandStan] #8979727 12/29/23 05:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,135
E
Espy Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
E
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,135
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Originally Posted by Espy
Anyone that hunts with me knows if you have a shot at a coyote you better take it.


Shooting the occasional coyote does nothing to control coyote numbers. Actually, it does the opposite.

And, it tends to screw up deer hunts.


well, don't shoot the occasional one shoot all of them. that's how you decrease the population.
A small ranch by my house is seeing a really low fawn population. I will start predator control as soon as deer season is over. Take out 20-30 coyotes in a year and watch how the fawn population increases.

Re: Coyotes [Re: BbarVRanch] #8979754 12/29/23 06:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
L
LeftHandStan Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
L
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by BbarVRanch


Everything in that link is geared toward protecting all wildlife. Predators included.

Sorry, as an ex govt hunter, I ain't buying it. I have seen too much, and learned too much to buy into this stuff. Reality of wildlife management seldom meets expectations of political agenda.

Keep trying though. wink


You do you man. I'll trust the research of Scott Henke at CKWRI and Bob Zaiglan.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Espy] #8979755 12/29/23 06:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
L
LeftHandStan Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
L
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by Espy
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Originally Posted by Espy
Anyone that hunts with me knows if you have a shot at a coyote you better take it.


Shooting the occasional coyote does nothing to control coyote numbers. Actually, it does the opposite.

And, it tends to screw up deer hunts.


well, don't shoot the occasional one shoot all of them. that's how you decrease the population.
A small ranch by my house is seeing a really low fawn population. I will start predator control as soon as deer season is over. Take out 20-30 coyotes in a year and watch how the fawn population increases.


It's laughable that you think you "shoot all of them". Google "coyote compensatory reproduction" and more importantly "compensatory immigration". The science is quite clear on the matter and has been for decades.

Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8979778 12/29/23 08:13 PM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 12,416
N
ntxtrapper Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
N
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 12,416
Looks like a good night to go kill some coyotes. Moon should be just about right for it.

Re: Coyotes [Re: ntxtrapper] #8979842 12/29/23 11:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,570
G
garyrapp55 Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
G
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,570
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Looks like a good night to go kill some coyotes. Moon should be just about right for it.

Finally, some science even I can understand

Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8979911 12/30/23 03:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 365
K
Kodyjoe2016 Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
K
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 365
Rather shoot a coyote than a deer any day.

Re: Coyotes [Re: garyrapp55] #8979918 12/30/23 03:27 AM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 12,416
N
ntxtrapper Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
N
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 12,416
Originally Posted by garyrapp55
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Looks like a good night to go kill some coyotes. Moon should be just about right for it.

Finally, some science even I can understand


Yeah, you don’t need a bunch of studies when you’re out here with them every day.

Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8979941 12/30/23 04:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
L
LeftHandStan Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
L
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Flat earthers it seems. Galileo was about 400+ years prior.

Y'all keep at it lads. Happy hunting.

Last edited by LeftHandStan; 12/30/23 04:54 AM.
Re: Coyotes [Re: Simple Searcher] #8979945 12/30/23 07:04 AM
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 11,542
R
rickym Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
R
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 11,542
Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
Originally Posted by MWTX270
I tried some snares about 3 years ago and snared more deer and coons than I did coyotes. Didn’t mind catching the coons , but counterproductive catching the deer.

I have snared several hundred coons, bobcats, foxes, skunks, possums, armadillos, porcupines, and coyotes. Never one single deer.

Wrong spots, and setting to high, or to big of a loop if your getting deer.



Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8979957 12/30/23 12:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 12,182
kry226 Online Content
The General
Online Content
The General
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 12,182
Seem to be lots of coyotes on my place this year, despite having an awesome fawn recruitment. And since the freeze, I haven't seen 10 hogs. Still, I've killed two yotes in as many days and will continue to do so. My place has a rule that hogs and yotes are shot on sight, even during a deer hunt.

Had a very aspirational but young 8-point at the feeder last night when a very mature (pretty coat too) yote came in from the opposite direction. Naturally, I shot the yote and the buck just stood there for about 5 minutes and then went back to gobbling up corn. Kill the yotes, your deer will thank you.


[Linked Image]
Re: Coyotes [Re: LeftHandStan] #8979967 12/30/23 01:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 15,682
Q
QuitShootinYoungBucks Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Q
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 15,682
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Flat earthers it seems. Galileo was about 400+ years prior.

Y'all keep at it lads. Happy hunting.

Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Originally Posted by Espy
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Originally Posted by Espy
Anyone that hunts with me knows if you have a shot at a coyote you better take it.


Shooting the occasional coyote does nothing to control coyote numbers. Actually, it does the opposite.

And, it tends to screw up deer hunts.


well, don't shoot the occasional one shoot all of them. that's how you decrease the population.
A small ranch by my house is seeing a really low fawn population. I will start predator control as soon as deer season is over. Take out 20-30 coyotes in a year and watch how the fawn population increases.


It's laughable that you think you "shoot all of them". Google "coyote compensatory reproduction" and more importantly "compensatory immigration". The science is quite clear on the matter and has been for decades.

it’s laughable that you believe some dog sits on a hill and when other dogs don’t bark back it’s ovaries magically crank out more eggs.


[Linked Image]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8979987 12/30/23 02:33 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 15,226
Tbar Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 15,226
Quote
All studies indicated that coyote control caused an immigration of coyotes into the removal areas. Coyote population densities returned to pre-removal levels typically within three months after removal efforts ceased.”

Henke wrote that Texas studies which involved short-term coyote removal programs did not note differences in rodent and lagomorph populations. However, those studies which consistently removed coyotes throughout the year began to realize population-level changes after a minimum of nine months of coyote removal




That is why you don't stop hunting them. It is a year-round effort. We heli-hunt 3-4 times a year and over bait and call and target of opportunities year around.


Make America Great Again

Re: Coyotes [Re: LeftHandStan] #8979988 12/30/23 02:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,230
J.G. Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,230
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Originally Posted by BbarVRanch


Everything in that link is geared toward protecting all wildlife. Predators included.

Sorry, as an ex govt hunter, I ain't buying it. I have seen too much, and learned too much to buy into this stuff. Reality of wildlife management seldom meets expectations of political agenda.

Keep trying though. wink


You do you man. I'll trust the research of Scott Henke at CKWRI and Bob Zaiglan.


You know, it is alright to read things and call bs on them.

You know, you are lied to every day by someone.


[Linked Image]
800 Yard Steel Range
Precision Rifle Instruction
Memberships and Classes Available
Re: Coyotes [Re: rickym] #8979989 12/30/23 02:36 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,230
J.G. Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,230
Originally Posted by rickym
Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
Originally Posted by MWTX270
I tried some snares about 3 years ago and snared more deer and coons than I did coyotes. Didn’t mind catching the coons , but counterproductive catching the deer.

I have snared several hundred coons, bobcats, foxes, skunks, possums, armadillos, porcupines, and coyotes. Never one single deer.

Wrong spots, and setting to high, or to big of a loop if your getting deer.


What Ricky said.


[Linked Image]
800 Yard Steel Range
Precision Rifle Instruction
Memberships and Classes Available
Re: Coyotes [Re: LeftHandStan] #8980014 12/30/23 03:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,685
S
Sneaky Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,685
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Flat earthers it seems. Galileo was about 400+ years prior.

Y'all keep at it lads. Happy hunting.


Go find a coyote in Val Verde County. The sheep ranchers down there are relentless in their efforts to eradicate them. It works. That country, with all the game and sheep, should be full of coyotes. It’s not. I hunted down there for several years and never saw one, a track, or even heard one.

Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8980029 12/30/23 03:52 PM
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 456
M
MWTX270 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 456
Got another 1 this morning. Makes 7 this month just while deer hunting. Big old dog [Linked Image]

Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8980069 12/30/23 05:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 11,952
S
Simple Searcher Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 11,952
Awesome, if snares aren't working, the rifle will up


[Linked Image]

"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8980080 12/30/23 06:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,200
L
LonestarCobra Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
L
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,200
I will keep doing my part and shoot all the yotes I see.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Sneaky] #8980145 12/30/23 10:07 PM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 12,416
N
ntxtrapper Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
N
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 12,416
Originally Posted by Sneaky
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Flat earthers it seems. Galileo was about 400+ years prior.

Y'all keep at it lads. Happy hunting.


Go find a coyote in Val Verde County. The sheep ranchers down there are relentless in their efforts to eradicate them. It works. That country, with all the game and sheep, should be full of coyotes. It’s not. I hunted down there for several years and never saw one, a track, or even heard one.


Yeah, I’ll take actual observation and experience over an internet education all day.

Re: Coyotes [Re: MWTX270] #8980182 12/30/23 11:56 PM
Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 778
D
Double AC Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
D
Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 778
I like to hunt and shoot coyotes because I like to hunt and shoot coyotes. I am not interested in running a full time trapping program nor do I see the need on my ranch. Their populations, as well as any predator or prey in natural settings, are directly dependent on the amount of forage available to them. Short term forage surplus or deficit in either predator or prey will affect the other end of that relationship. The years I have plenty of forage are the years I have plenty of deer and will thus have plenty of coyotes. The opposite is also true.

Will aggressively culling coyotes alleviate short term pressure on deer? Yes. Will that in turn put more pressure on the deer's forage base, especially in drought years? Yes. Does a limited natural forage base negatively impact deer numbers and deer health? Yes.

My goal is to maintain a stable forage base to support a carrying capacity in line with that forage and to use supplemental feed to fill gaps in that forage base. Filling those gaps allows me to be slightly more selective in terms of which deer make up the herd. However, the more deer I have over carrying capacity, the more forage gaps there are to fill, the more $$$ I have to spend on supplemental feed, and the more time I have to spend bringing deer #s back in line. For that goal, coyotes, lions, or any other predator operate in the same role as I do which is to eliminate excess mouths on the landscape. They don't have the same discretion as I do which entails some risk when it comes to the bucks I am trying to get to the next age class. But those bucks could also get hit by cars, shot by other hunters, or die a million other ways. If I removed every coyote to ever set foot on the ranch, I would have to spend just as much time shooting additional excess deer on the landscape. If I was running a commercial operation and every inch of antler put more dollars in my pocket, maybe that would be worth it. But that added expense and time isn't justified at the moment.

Does that mean I am passing on coyotes when they come by? Absolutely not, I like to hunt and shoot coyotes.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Sneaky] #8980240 12/31/23 03:13 AM
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
L
LeftHandStan Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
L
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by Sneaky
Originally Posted by LeftHandStan
Flat earthers it seems. Galileo was about 400+ years prior.

Y'all keep at it lads. Happy hunting.


Go find a coyote in Val Verde County. The sheep ranchers down there are relentless in their efforts to eradicate them. It works. That country, with all the game and sheep, should be full of coyotes. It’s not. I hunted down there for several years and never saw one, a track, or even heard one.


Those efforts of varmint control are on another planet compared to the typical TX coyote hunter/caller/spotlighter/incidental shooter. Not even close. Their lives literally depend(ed) on it.

Besides, are "efforts to eradicate them" - coyotes - of ANY benefit to white-tailed deer in areas that are overpopulated? With 4k of neighboring Hill Country acreage *unhunted* (my situation), would the magic killing of every or any coyote do me or the WT deer population any good? F no.

What would limit their population? Remember, this acreage is unhunted.

Last edited by LeftHandStan; 12/31/23 03:23 AM. Reason: tidying up a quote.
Re: Coyotes [Re: Double AC] #8980242 12/31/23 03:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
L
LeftHandStan Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
L
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by Double AC
I like to hunt and shoot coyotes because I like to hunt and shoot coyotes. I am not interested in running a full time trapping program nor do I see the need on my ranch. Their populations, as well as any predator or prey in natural settings, are directly dependent on the amount of forage available to them. Short term forage surplus or deficit in either predator or prey will affect the other end of that relationship. The years I have plenty of forage are the years I have plenty of deer and will thus have plenty of coyotes. The opposite is also true.

Will aggressively culling coyotes alleviate short term pressure on deer? Yes. Will that in turn put more pressure on the deer's forage base, especially in drought years? Yes. Does a limited natural forage base negatively impact deer numbers and deer health? Yes.

My goal is to maintain a stable forage base to support a carrying capacity in line with that forage and to use supplemental feed to fill gaps in that forage base. Filling those gaps allows me to be slightly more selective in terms of which deer make up the herd. However, the more deer I have over carrying capacity, the more forage gaps there are to fill, the more $$$ I have to spend on supplemental feed, and the more time I have to spend bringing deer #s back in line. For that goal, coyotes, lions, or any other predator operate in the same role as I do which is to eliminate excess mouths on the landscape. They don't have the same discretion as I do which entails some risk when it comes to the bucks I am trying to get to the next age class. But those bucks could also get hit by cars, shot by other hunters, or die a million other ways. If I removed every coyote to ever set foot on the ranch, I would have to spend just as much time shooting additional excess deer on the landscape. If I was running a commercial operation and every inch of antler put more dollars in my pocket, maybe that would be worth it. But that added expense and time isn't justified at the moment.

Does that mean I am passing on coyotes when they come by? Absolutely not, I like to hunt and shoot coyotes.


This is an insanely reasonable response. Short term gain? Yeah, a bit sure. Love to hunt coyotes? Heck yeah, man get in there. It's fun as hell. Does carrying capacity matter? You betcha. Does the recreational killing of coyotes really matter long term (not explicitly stated but implied)? Not really.

Last edited by LeftHandStan; 12/31/23 03:21 AM. Reason: spelling
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2024 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3