I wouldn't think of me so much as illiterate.... Maybe stubborn and lazy... Not illiterate at all. #1 I live within my means and buy the best I can to do a certain job. I'm not going to shoot matches or precision. I'm gonna kill deer, pig, or coyote etc. out to 500 yards or less. I like flat shooting calibers that take a lot of the hold over and wind out of it. 22-250, 25-06, 7mm PRC. I'll stick with those the rest of my life most likely.


At least I found out I might have a problem with the Meopta scope, corrected that by selecting a Athlon scope. Not worried about Athlon scope at all. I know MOA scopes. If I was retired and well off, I would go learn about Mil Mil scopes and how to use them.

At 67 I'll probably just stick to what I know. I've made plenty of high wind adjustments and never had to take a second shot that I can remember to kill a deer out to 432 yards. I can shoot and have used simple duplex scopes all my life. Mostly 3-9x50mm Leupold Vari x2.

I wonder how I can do with this MOA reticle with all the MOA dope from a ballistic chart? I bet even better.

I bet you’re right.

I would bet about every MIL guy on this thread has something on their rifle that is measured in MOA.

My scope rings are mounted on a 20 moa Picatinny rail. Such a pain having to convert from moa to mil. Anyway, guilty, you busted me. Of all the things to bring me down!

20 MOA ÷ 3.43 = 5.8 Mil

MOA or MIL, it is still an angular measurement just in different measurement systems.

I would bet about every MIL guy on this thread has something on their rifle that is measured in MOA. It is a set it and forget it thing but still a MOA measured piece.

I never understood having scopes with MOA adjustment and MIL reticle but many manufactures must have. Guess it is their thought for transitioning people to MIL but if you are going to transition go all the way, why confuse people even more.

Bobby, I think you will be fine with your chosen scope.

I like the floating center cross. That is a nightmare for wind holds. Where is 10 MOA? Why are we using MOA when mils is superior for just about the only thing you use a reticle for anyway?

10 MOA is at each end of vertical and Horizontal of the "floating" red cross. It looks like each line is 2 Moa to me...

My, this thread has gotten windy.Meopta has made quality glass for eight decades. Have supplied glass for many companies Zeiss for one. I have several Meopta scopes. Non turret. I am a hunter. Will not shoot a whitetail beyond 150 yards and that is realistic. That is the only game animal I hunt. Use a 6.5 x 47 that does not bring enough power at much longer ranges. Think it would be interesting to ring steel at long range if I were younger and more motivated. Be realistic guys. You hunters are putting way to much scope on your rifle. Delusions of shooting at range. Please just don't unless you have the time and dedication to learn it well.

My, this thread has gotten windy.Meopta has made quality glass for eight decades. Have supplied glass for many companies Zeiss for one. I have several Meopta scopes. Non turret. I am a hunter. Will not shoot a whitetail beyond 150 yards and that is realistic. That is the only game animal I hunt. Use a 6.5 x 47 that does not bring enough power at much longer ranges. Think it would be interesting to ring steel at long range if I were younger and more motivated. Be realistic guys. You hunters are putting way to much scope on your rifle. Delusions of shooting at range. Please just don't unless you have the time and dedication to learn it well.

My, this thread has gotten windy.Meopta has made quality glass for eight decades. Have supplied glass for many companies Zeiss for one. I have several Meopta scopes. Non turret. I am a hunter. Will not shoot a whitetail beyond 150 yards and that is realistic. That is the only game animal I hunt. Use a 6.5 x 47 that does not bring enough power at much longer ranges. Think it would be interesting to ring steel at long range if I were younger and more motivated. Be realistic guys. You hunters are putting way to much scope on your rifle. Delusions of shooting at range. Please just don't unless you have the time and dedication to learn it well.

My, this thread has gotten windy.Meopta has made quality glass for eight decades. Have supplied glass for many companies Zeiss for one. I have several Meopta scopes. Non turret. I am a hunter. Will not shoot a whitetail beyond 150 yards and that is realistic. That is the only game animal I hunt. Use a 6.5 x 47 that does not bring enough power at much longer ranges. Think it would be interesting to ring steel at long range if I were younger and more motivated. Be realistic guys. You hunters are putting way to much scope on your rifle. Delusions of shooting at range. Please just don't unless you have the time and dedication to learn it well.

Not all hunters want to limit their range to 150 yards. I'm a hunter that dials when the shot conditions dictate that it is necessary. As you state, it is interesting to ring steel at long range. We do it to verify our equipment so that we don't take unethical shots. The first time I dialed on an animal and killed it my hunting opportunities opened up in a big way. I've dialed on deer, hogs and coyotes (330-550 yards) 100's of times. Most of the time I hold. I don't know what you consider "way to much scope", but if you want to stretch things out beyond 150 yards ask here. You'll get some good advice based on your requirement.