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Meopta thoughts
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12/14/23 05:37 PM
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This will be for a Ruger American Go Wild 7mm PRC The only thing I don't know much about is the MRAD adjustments. I do like second focal plane best. This seems like a bargain with the 16% discount they have. I guess once I get it sight in dead on at 200 it will be okay. I heard 1 click is .37 inches... a little more than .25 inches. Basically 3 clicks is 1.21 inches I guess. Give me your thoughts please. https://www.sportoptics.com/meopta-meosport-r-3-15x50-rd-1047491.html
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/14/23 06:18 PM
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I can't remember which one I have, but the glass is a lot clearer than a VX 3 Leupold.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/14/23 06:53 PM
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That is what I have heard John. Thanks!
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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If you're not used to mils and folks you're around don't talk mils...don't do it. That's my opinion.
Example (and contrary to what anyone here will tell you this is how people not in "the game" or "non-operators" talk) - You missed 4.5" to the right or 6" high...think how fast you need to know that and how much "math" you have to do in your head to make that correction in mils.
In short, it's pretty much putting an American in a metric system at the blink of an eye you don't know the answers. We talk quarters not tenths....'Merica!
There are places for mil and that is, when you are in places where people talk and use mils.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/14/23 08:18 PM
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If you're not used to mils and folks you're around don't talk mils...don't do it. That's my opinion.
Example (and contrary to what anyone here will tell you this is how people not in "the game" or "non-operators" talk) - You missed 4.5" to the right or 6" high...think how fast you need to know that and how much "math" you have to do in your head to make that correction in mils.
In short, it's pretty much putting an American in a metric system at the blink of an eye you don't know the answers. We talk quarters not tenths....'Merica!
There are places for mil and that is, when you are in places where people talk and use mils.
Well said.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/14/23 10:12 PM
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If you're not used to mils and folks you're around don't talk mils...don't do it. That's my opinion.
Example (and contrary to what anyone here will tell you this is how people not in "the game" or "non-operators" talk) - You missed 4.5" to the right or 6" high...think how fast you need to know that and how much "math" you have to do in your head to make that correction in mils.
In short, it's pretty much putting an American in a metric system at the blink of an eye you don't know the answers. We talk quarters not tenths....'Merica!
There are places for mil and that is, when you are in places where people talk and use mils.
100% disagree
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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This will be for a Ruger American Go Wild 7mm PRC The only thing I don't know much about is the MRAD adjustments. I do like second focal plane best. This seems like a bargain with the 16% discount they have. I guess once I get it sight in dead on at 200 it will be okay. I heard 1 click is .37 inches... a little more than .25 inches. Basically 3 clicks is 1.21 inches I guess. Give me your thoughts please. https://www.sportoptics.com/meopta-meosport-r-3-15x50-rd-1047491.htmlForget inches. They have no part here. Zeroing a rifle. Shoot at paper at 100 yards. You see your bullet hole is .8 Mil high and .4 Mil right. Dial the elevation knob down .8 Dial the windage knob .4 Mil left Shoot again. Missed a hog at 400 yards .5 Mil low and he didn't run off. Hold .5 Mil higher and shoot again. The opposite of what Judd said. I use Mil scopes for everything, and he knows that. .22 lr to .300 Norma Mag and .338 Lapua Mag are the largest to date. 5 yards to 2500 yards has all been shot with Mil/Mil scopes. A whole lot of people sell MOA scopes and buy Mil, but rarely the other way around.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/14/23 11:24 PM
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If you're not used to mils and folks you're around don't talk mils...don't do it. That's my opinion.
Example (and contrary to what anyone here will tell you this is how people not in "the game" or "non-operators" talk) - You missed 4.5" to the right or 6" high...think how fast you need to know that and how much "math" you have to do in your head to make that correction in mils.
In short, it's pretty much putting an American in a metric system at the blink of an eye you don't know the answers. We talk quarters not tenths....'Merica!
There are places for mil and that is, when you are in places where people talk and use mils.
Well said. 100% Agree.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/14/23 11:45 PM
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If you're not used to mils and folks you're around don't talk mils...don't do it. That's my opinion.
Example (and contrary to what anyone here will tell you this is how people not in "the game" or "non-operators" talk) - You missed 4.5" to the right or 6" high...think how fast you need to know that and how much "math" you have to do in your head to make that correction in mils.
In short, it's pretty much putting an American in a metric system at the blink of an eye you don't know the answers. We talk quarters not tenths....'Merica!
There are places for mil and that is, when you are in places where people talk and use mils.
Well said. 100% Agree. Agree, kinda. If you have no interest in shooting at any extended range and you’re not interested in learning that a moa and mil are a measurement of angle and not inches on a paper than moa is the way to go. Set and forget guys it’s king. Of course they both work for that. The inches thinking only gets you close if you’re shootings at 100 yards. Basically I agree with JG but I definitely see the utility of moa like on an FX-3 fixed power scope for sub 200 yards.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 12:15 AM
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Forget inches. They have no part here.
Zeroing a rifle.
Shoot at paper at 100 yards. You see your bullet hole is .8 Mil high and .4 Mil right.
Dial the elevation knob down .8 Dial the windage knob .4 Mil left
Shoot again.
Any of those dots are just a measurement of one kind or another. This makes sense to me. So I ordered it. I will study math which I am good at.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 02:51 AM
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I just looked at the reticle. They are hamstringing anyone trying to use that scope.
As I've said before, it seems some optic makers do not have any shooters working there.
That is not really a Mil reticle.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 03:32 AM
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I just looked at the reticle. They are hamstringing anyone trying to use that scope.
As I've said before, it seems some optic makers do not have any shooters working there.
That is not really a Mil reticle. I'll figure a way to make it work. I'm a hold over guy anyway. Not a dialer except on zeroing a scope.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 01:09 PM
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Hey bobcat1
Be advised some Meopta marketing and reticle images are skewed funny.
I fancy a G4 reticle and saw the image when I bought my Meopta. Received the scope and the actual reticle is finer with the subtension spaced further apart (not really G4 in my opinion)
The scope itself is very nice I’m just not impressed with the reticle and marketing pics for it
I can post a pic if you want to see for yourself
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 01:44 PM
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I just looked at the reticle. They are hamstringing anyone trying to use that scope.
As I've said before, it seems some optic makers do not have any shooters working there.
That is not really a Mil reticle. I'll figure a way to make it work. I'm a hold over guy anyway. Not a dialer except on zeroing a scope. That is my point. Those dumbasses made a reticle you can't do much hold over with. That scope you HAVE to dial.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 02:07 PM
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If you're deer hunting with this set up:
Zero it for impact at 100, or 200 yards, whatever you're most confident in. Shoot it at 300 & 400 yards, 3 shots each range, or until you're confident. Record your drop on painters tape, place on the grip right behind action Cover in clear tape Hunt
You know the size of your target, from top line of back to bottom of belly, Y from ear to shoulder...........If you're shooting Hornady Precision Hunter 175 gr, you're looking at holding about 6" (200 yard zero) above your desired point of impact. For the price of one box of ammo you'll be ready.
It's not how I do it, but most hunters that practice with their set up do it this way with success.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 02:32 PM
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 02:44 PM
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I just looked at the reticle. They are hamstringing anyone trying to use that scope.
As I've said before, it seems some optic makers do not have any shooters working there.
That is not really a Mil reticle. I'll figure a way to make it work. I'm a hold over guy anyway. Not a dialer except on zeroing a scope. That is my point. Those dumbasses made a reticle you can't do much hold over with. That scope you HAVE to dial. Wrong. He can be successful without dialing for what he will use it for. Wouldn't be my choice for a scope but my opinion doesn't change the price of eggs, neither does yours.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 03:02 PM
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I just looked at the reticle. They are hamstringing anyone trying to use that scope.
As I've said before, it seems some optic makers do not have any shooters working there.
That is not really a Mil reticle. I'll figure a way to make it work. I'm a hold over guy anyway. Not a dialer except on zeroing a scope. That is my point. Those dumbasses made a reticle you can't do much hold over with. That scope you HAVE to dial.Tunnel vision.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 03:12 PM
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I just looked at the reticle. They are hamstringing anyone trying to use that scope.
As I've said before, it seems some optic makers do not have any shooters working there.
That is not really a Mil reticle. I'll figure a way to make it work. I'm a hold over guy anyway. Not a dialer except on zeroing a scope. That is my point. Those dumbasses made a reticle you can't do much hold over with. That scope you HAVE to dial.Tunnel vision. Okay, I cancelled it and ordered this athlon. I know I can make this one work for me. https://cameralandny.com/shop/athlo...%202.5-15x50%20-%20AHMR%20SFP%20IR%20MOA
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 03:18 PM
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i have FFP athlon. Decent glass, but reticle is too thick at top power.
Dials well
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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i have FFP athlon. Decent glass, but reticle is too thick at top power.
Dials well Good to hear! Here's the reticle on this scope.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 03:33 PM
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Wrong. He can be successful without dialing for what he will use it for. Wouldn't be my choice for a scope but my opinion doesn't change the price of eggs, neither does yours. And you know this will work for him based on what? E is considering a Mil based scope for some reason. And that reason could be for what the Mil scope was made to do, make hits precisely at distance. That scope does not have a reticle made to make holds. It has a turret made to dial, but not a reticle to make holds. I can see it with my eyes.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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I just looked at the reticle. They are hamstringing anyone trying to use that scope.
As I've said before, it seems some optic makers do not have any shooters working there.
That is not really a Mil reticle. I'll figure a way to make it work. I'm a hold over guy anyway. Not a dialer except on zeroing a scope. That is my point. Those dumbasses made a reticle you can't do much hold over with. That scope you HAVE to dial.Tunnel vision. See above.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 04:06 PM
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@ J.G.
Saw above. He doesn't HAVE to dial.
See Below, my response to him earlier. "If you're deer hunting with this set up:
Zero it for impact at 100, or 200 yards, whatever you're most confident in. Shoot it at 300 & 400 yards, 3 shots each range, or until you're confident. Record your drop on painters tape, place on the grip right behind action Cover in clear tape Hunt
You know the size of your target, from top line of back to bottom of belly, Y from ear to shoulder...........If you're shooting Hornady Precision Hunter 175 gr, you're looking at holding about 6" (200 yard zero) above your desired point of impact. For the price of one box of ammo you'll be ready.
It's not how I do it, but most hunters that practice with their set up do it this way with success."
I'd estimate that ethical shots on game made without dialing are 100x or more than shots that are dialed.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Meopta thoughts
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12/15/23 04:22 PM
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@ J.G.
Saw above. He doesn't HAVE to dial.
See Below, my response to him earlier. "If you're deer hunting with this set up:
Zero it for impact at 100, or 200 yards, whatever you're most confident in. Shoot it at 300 & 400 yards, 3 shots each range, or until you're confident. Record your drop on painters tape, place on the grip right behind action Cover in clear tape Hunt
You know the size of your target, from top line of back to bottom of belly, Y from ear to shoulder...........If you're shooting Hornady Precision Hunter 175 gr, you're looking at holding about 6" (200 yard zero) above your desired point of impact. For the price of one box of ammo you'll be ready.
It's not how I do it, but most hunters that practice with their set up do it this way with success."
I'd estimate that ethical shots on game made without dialing are 100x or more than shots that are dialed.
You are doing the Kentucky gravity method. And it is "close" but not at all precise. 6" at what range? Not a single human can hold exactly 6" at any distance. You may think you are, but you're not. And we have tools available today where it does not have to be that way anymore. I make precise elevation holds on animals many times a year. No time to dial, make a precise hold, and squeeze the trigger. 280 yards, right below the chin. That is quite a bit smaller target than 8" whitetail vitals. And the O.P. jas already taken this to PM to cut out the noise.
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