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Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 01:24 PM
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Which is a safer more ethical/humane bet? Person experiences and opinions welcome
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 01:43 PM
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While I personally don't go for neck shots, I know a lot of folks do. What really counts is the shooter's skill in making the shot. A poorly sighted rifle, and multiple shots can make a big problem where there didn't need to be.
The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 01:48 PM
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mmccalli
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Last neck shot- The bullet didn't expand, nicked an artery and had to track for 3 hours. Last Vital shot- No steps taken.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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many factors
if i am close, i will go for neck/head on does to save the meat. but overall, it depends on how good of a shot you are and how far away you are from the deer, how confident you are with that weapon.
Stuff my dad said in the deer blind
"I can dive deeper and come up drier" "did you do that?"
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:02 PM
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BigTexHD
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With a neck shot If you miss you miss and if you hit him he is dead. No questions asked. I have done both i have lost a deer that i shot in the body but never on i shot in the neck.
"A man is got to know his limits."
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:02 PM
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You will probably get a split down the middle for neck vs vitals. Personally, I always go for the vitals and have never lost a deer.
My wife's only thing is it can't stare at her when she is eating or sleeping!
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:06 PM
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With a neck shot If you miss you miss and if you hit him he is dead. No questions asked. I have done both i have lost a deer that i shot in the body but never on i shot in the neck. That is not true at all.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:06 PM
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I'll shoot at either depending on the circumstance. I don't think you can beat a shot to the shoulder if you have the right bullet.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:08 PM
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I've almost lost three deer to neck shots that were hit within an inch of the spine. Knocked em' down cold for about 30 seconds then they start kicking and jump up and try to run off. Plenty of expansion, one buck had a hole you stick your fist in on the off side.
Have witnessed more than one deer lost by other hunters from neck shots. One of those deer was shot later in the season by another hunter, deer was no worse for wear except a large scab on each side of his neck.
The old saying for neck shots " you either drop em' or miss em'" is pure and absolute BS in my opinion.
Had to put a mule deer out of it's misery one time after a 'head shot' went wrong and took the lower jaw off.
Unless very close or facing head on, no neck shots for me, thank you.
Bill
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:09 PM
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BigTexHD
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Well it is my case. I have never lost a deer that i hit in the neck. I dont shoot a boys gun. I will also admit that i have missed a deer shooting at neck, the deer ran off unharmed!
"A man is got to know his limits."
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:11 PM
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JJH
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"The old saying for neck shots " you either drop em' or miss em'" is pure and absolute BS in my opinion."
Don't know who started that old wives tale, but they didn't know much about deer anatomy.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:17 PM
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RICK O'SHAY
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Neck.... shoulder.... head it don't matter to me, things can go wrong with either choice (but usually nothing goes wrong with either). I'll help ya load it or track it, whatever it takes.
Personally I'm a shoulder shooter (well right behind) but last years deer fell to a .204 between the eye and ear.... talk about DRT!
DISCLAIMER ATTENTION: Your decision should NEVER be based SOLELY upon my advice, recomendation, or opinion.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:19 PM
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BigTex, I am with you on this one....I shot a deer in the neck when I was 12 and it ran about 50 yards and died, that was with a .223! If you put a .270 or greater in the neck It will drop a deer dead 99.9% of the time, there is an chance you make a bad shot and just graze the bottom of the neck and miss artery, however, a direct hit anywhere on the neck will break neck bone even without hitting the actual bone. Now there is a chance you miss neck and hit Jaw, but this is more likely on a head shot than a neck shot. The Vitals shot behind the shoulder is good too, don't get me wrong, i use both....BUT there is a lot more chance of missing vitals or hitting vitals and having little or no blood and running a good distance and being harder to recover...I like the neck shot, but am not afraid to put one behind the shoulder either, depending on distance and situation
the man at the top of the mountain didn't fall up it
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:19 PM
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BigTexHD
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Your full of it! If you shoot a deer square in the neck he is dead. Granted you have to shoot something bigger than a pellet gun.
"A man is got to know his limits."
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:22 PM
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BigTexHD
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BigTex, I am with you on this one....I shot a deer in the neck when I was 12 and it ran about 50 yards and died, that was with a .223! If you put a .270 or greater in the neck It will drop a deer dead 99.9% of the time, there is an chance you make a bad shot and just graze the bottom of the neck and miss artery, however, a direct hit anywhere on the neck will break neck bone even without hitting the actual bone. Now there is a chance you miss neck and hit Jaw, but this is more likely on a head shot than a neck shot. The Vitals shot behind the shoulder is good too, don't get me wrong, i use both....BUT there is a lot more chance of missing vitals or hitting vitals and having little or no blood and running a good distance and being harder to recover...I like the neck shot, but am not afraid to put one behind the shoulder either, depending on distance and situation Thanks for the back up!
"A man is got to know his limits."
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:30 PM
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No matter which one you choose, at some point you will loose a deer.
As an added bonus I shot a deer "in the vitals", after he got up I planted one in his neck, then he waited till I had nothing in my hands.......... and got up again and ran for the hills.
I never did find that darn deer.
Most of the time, its true, if you shoot them in the neck they are going to drop in their tracks
Most of the time, its true, if you shoot them in the vitals they will drop in their tracks
but sometimes, most of the time always seem to run and hide at your most important moment.
Just make the best shot you can make and "most of the time" your going to get your prize.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:40 PM
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i disagree that most of the time, "its true if you shoot them in the vitals they will drop in their tracts" If fact i'd say unless you mess up and shoot high and hit spine or go forward in take out shoulder, they almost always run......it would be more of a true statement that most of the time when you hit them in the vitals they will DIE...but not drop in their tracts....with the exception of 1 all neck shots I've seen drop DRT.
the man at the top of the mountain didn't fall up it
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:48 PM
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I always go for the behind the shoulder shot, and yes most of mine have run. However, none of them have gone more than 30-40 yards.
The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:51 PM
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samantic brother, we are talking about, killing or not loosing an animal.
the point was you'll FIND dead deer with both shots "most of the time"
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:52 PM
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i disagree that most of the time, "its true if you shoot them in the vitals they will drop in their tracts" If fact i'd say unless you mess up and shoot high and hit spine or go forward in take out shoulder, they almost always run......it would be more of a true statement that most of the time when you hit them in the vitals they will DIE...but not drop in their tracts....with the exception of 1 all neck shots I've seen drop DRT. Most all mine have dropped in their tracks from vitals shot.
My wife's only thing is it can't stare at her when she is eating or sleeping!
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 02:57 PM
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yes maybe semantic....but not really....drop in there tracks, to me, with a neck shot is literal...as in don't have to look for it, or listen for a crash, i mean you watch it drop and expire....I understand your point....And agree you'll find dead deer most of the time.
the man at the top of the mountain didn't fall up it
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 03:01 PM
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as to the original post it asked which is more humane and ethical...although i do not believe its a mater of ethics if we are talking humane from the standpoint of quick painless death I don't think there can be much argument that death is faster 10 fold from a neck shot....that said both are ethical and humane.
the man at the top of the mountain didn't fall up it
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 03:01 PM
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Your full of it! If you shoot a deer square in the neck he is dead. Granted you have to shoot something bigger than a pellet gun. Well, you're not the first to tell me that. Take a look at the pic. The only thing that is immeadiately fatal in the neck is a shot that hits or disrupts the spine. This is unquestionably a smaller target than the heart/lungs/shoulder ares. There is a lot more room for error with a lung/shoulder shot. Few years ago, we looked for a buck for hours that had been hit in the neck, just a couple of inches low. Never did find him. He was found a couple of weeks later...starved to death because the shot broke his windpipe. So I don't buy the old :"he's either dead or missed" story. 
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 03:08 PM
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Great stuff JJH, but the with 1000 foot pound of pressure at impact and greater, you no not need a direct hit on the spine to break the neck, now you can graze a wind pipe and dead to a lengthy death, true, not all misses at the neck are clean, but I haven't said that either as I have seen a Jaw shot....that would have been an interesting sight to see a dead deer two weeks later and be able to determine a bullet had broken his windpipe....
the man at the top of the mountain didn't fall up it
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Re: Neck Vs Lung/heart shots
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09/10/09 03:31 PM
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I like to shoot either right behind the shoulder or right in the shoulder. If you shoot them right in the shoulder, it seems to break them down and they normally won't run, from what I have seen anyway, but of course you lose some meat. It's a larger area that leaves more room for error, so that's what I stick with.
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