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Re: Shooting trad, with a little help from Passthru [Re: 10 Gauge] #8937176 10/17/23 03:11 AM
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Mine are the newer version. I don’t think I could bring myself to shoot the old school ones. To me, they belong in a display.

New Razorhead:
https://www.beararchery.com/product...head?_pos=2&_sid=348a6241f&_ss=r


I really like that Ace standard. Wide range of weights. In the near future i plan to test the Zwickey Eskilite. With 50 pound limbs I can get these same wood shafts I have to spine out on the 3 rivers calculator with that 110 grain head. Smaller cut should tune easier as well, in my mind.

Also planning to build my own arrows though. Also i want to try 4 fletch feathers with a lot of helical.


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Originally Posted by Bryan C. Heimann
Mine are the newer version. I don’t think I could bring myself to shoot the old school ones. To me, they belong in a display.

New Razorhead:
https://www.beararchery.com/product...head?_pos=2&_sid=348a6241f&_ss=r


I really like that Ace standard. Wide range of weights. In the near future i plan to test the Zwickey Eskilite. With 50 pound limbs I can get these same wood shafts I have to spine out on the 3 rivers calculator with that 110 grain head. Smaller cut should tune easier as well, in my mind.

Also planning to build my own arrows though. Also i want to try 4 fletch feathers with a lot of helical.


I have fletched tens of thousands of arrows and tested every conceivable combination and found no difference between 3 and 4 fletch of equal vane height. Taller and longer vanes make quite a difference though.

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I've also found that minimizing the helical helps in your longer range trajectory.


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Re: Shooting trad, with a little help from Passthru [Re: 10 Gauge] #8937893 10/18/23 05:05 AM
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Well here is that razorhead. I took the tip off with the file then filed the edge and worked it over with 4 different grades if stones. I have no idea the grot we will call it rough, medium, fine, and a little bit extra fine. The factory bevel is gone with the factory tip. What it has now is a convex edge that is as sharp as a scalpel. Will shave under almost it’s own weight.

If it gives acceptable accuracy to 20 yards I will use it.

It weighs 150 grains, on the end of a 30”, 11/32 ramin wood shaft that is no doubt heavier and stronger than port orford cedar. So more than 12 grains per inch. If I draw until the broadhead just touches my knuckle I have consistent 30” of draw and approximately 41 pounds draw weight right there.

If I can’t kill a deer with that…

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Re: Shooting trad, with a little help from Passthru [Re: 10 Gauge] #8937896 10/18/23 05:20 AM
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This poundage discussion reminded me of the following.

Talk about deer and poundage, Melvin Tingle hosted Mississippi Outdoors for many years killed his first archery deer with a 35lb fiberglass recurve. Melvin probably had a 27 to 28 inch draw. he killed that deer with an arrow he had been killing time with short throw then draw it out and do again for a bit when he looked up and a small buck was looking at him. he was hunting on a creek crossing sitting down in a little ditch where it hit the creek. Heart at less than 20 yards shot with that dull wood arrow most likely bear or that style head. He said the deer ran not that far leaving a blood trail from the heart shot he managed to make. I was a kid and still remember Melvin telling my Dad about that hunt.

Keep the range withing your comfort zone, make a good shot and enjoy, I bet it will do the job if you do yours.


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I'll head up-to Missouri in a few hours to set up a bow blind on a platform on my place. Weather looks great, wish I had time to hunt.


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My Sister in Missouri keeps telling me about a big buck around her house. Makes me want to make a road trip and hunt him. He was behind her house last week about 40 yards from the back door while she was outside with the dogs in the yard. Then this morning eating corn at the feeder across the pond that is in her front yard. They see him and several other deer almost daily.


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Re: Shooting trad, with a little help from Passthru [Re: 10 Gauge] #8937919 10/18/23 10:51 AM
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Man i live in Missouri and it sounds like ya’ll spend more time down there than i do.


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Re: Shooting trad, with a little help from Passthru [Re: 10 Gauge] #8937963 10/18/23 12:35 PM
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i try to make it for a visit there yearly for a few days. Not there that often though.


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Originally Posted by passthru
I'll head up-to Missouri in a few hours to set up a bow blind on a platform on my place. Weather looks great, wish I had time to hunt.



How is the hunting up there? Would be cool to get a change of scenery every once in awhile


For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
Re: Shooting trad, with a little help from Passthru [Re: 10 Gauge] #8938008 10/18/23 01:43 PM
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Terrible hunting. Especially on public ground around west central part of the state. Worse on the public. I would recommend that all out of state hunters go to a better place lol

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Private land is nice because you can leave your stands set up. Although I only have a few this is my cold weather hide.

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Well i gone and done it now. Invested in 50 pound limbs, a dozen Ash shafts spined 70-75 and a quality taper tool, a few other things too.

I will probably sell my compound to help fund my new passion.


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I started shooting aluminum 2216 shafts in one of my recurves. Could not get it to shoot good at all with Carbons....arrow flight was horrible.


May give the looms' a try as an alternative to wood shafts


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Originally Posted by Bryan C. Heimann
Well i gone and done it now. Invested in 50 pound limbs, a dozen Ash shafts spined 70-75 and a quality taper tool, a few other things too.

I will probably sell my compound to help fund my new passion.


Don't sell it. It's still useful for longer range hunting.


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I need to order some wood shafts.
When the wife doesn't notice.


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Originally Posted by passthru
I need to order some wood shafts.
When the wife doesn't notice.


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The Ramin wood shafts from bass pro are a challenge. Learning to straighten them now lol. I have two shafts that group very well with a broadhead and one that hits the same spot every time about a left of POI. Welp it turned out to be crooked. So i gotta learn to use heat to straighten it. The worst part is right under my fresh 4-fletch lol.

May have to take the weekend off from deer hunting to learn a few things. This time next weekend I will have heavier tackle.

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Question:

Why are you shooting wood shafts?


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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Why are you shooting wood shafts?


Why not?


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To be honest, because i like them and because I bought them. That’s pretty much it. But it’s also more than that. Arrow weight, noise, etc. This finished arrow weighs 40 grams on my food scale, about 620 grains. Whisper quiet, hardest hitting arrow in the right spine.


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Originally Posted by Bryan C. Heimann
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Why are you shooting wood shafts?


Why not?


now for next year are you going to be knapping your own points? Getting into trad serious. There are at least a couple on here that do use rock heads


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Originally Posted by kmon11
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Why are you shooting wood shafts?


Why not?


now for next year are you going to be knapping your own points? Getting into trad serious. There are at least a couple on here that do use rock heads


Leaning towards steel trade points. Baby steps. Kidding, but really not. I spent my adolescence screwing around in my stepdad’s shop, he was a knife maker on the side. It would be nothing to buy a piece of quality 1/8” thick quality bar stock and cut/grind out a perfect 3 to 1 single bevel trade point. A finished 3-1, 1” wide trade point 1/8” thick should be somewhere between 360 and 400 grains. How is that for FOC lol.

Edit- 457 grains with a 1”x11/32” shank, before grinding the bevel on there. It would be a hard hitting head and very, very tough point.

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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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Why are you shooting wood shafts?

They just look so dang nice in flight.


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Ordered up some 125 grain grizzly bruin heads as well. Skipped the single bevel, my bitz is right helical and all the factory fletched arrows are left helical so i split the difference. Plus the bruin is only a 1” cut, which in my mind should make it easier to tune and shoot straight.


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