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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8893913 08/02/23 12:54 PM
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Dando, the difference is we’re not here selling ourselves regardless of facts. We’re here doing what we enjoy and talking about it and our results. Regardless of if we agree or not. I’m sure even the most arrogant of our legends in their own minds learns on a regular basis, be it from their own experience or others, just not from a YouTube hero when obviously their statements are not based in facts.

I do admire anyone capable of making money, but that doesn’t mean their work is admirable.

Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894165 08/02/23 05:55 PM
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Not centered but still 5 shots MOA, rifle is a bit heavy to hunt with but it could be done. It will do almost as good with the Federal GMM 168 load.

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I was testing the tracking of an old Bausch and Lomb scope mounted on my 270 Encore.

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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894167 08/02/23 05:59 PM
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This is an example of a piss poor factory load, the 100 gr. Wolf steel cased 6.5 Grendel , the center group was a reload featuring the 90 gr. TNT from the same rifle.

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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894176 08/02/23 06:13 PM
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The 1 MOA standard I look and strive for in a hunting rifle is the ability to hit a 1 MOA target with the cold bore shot.

One of my favorite practice drills is shooting a piece of paper with 1" circles at 100 yards, one shot per circle. The goal is to hit all twenty dots.

Here is a link to print out the target:

http://www.mytargets.com/target22%20circles%20x20.pdf

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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894184 08/02/23 06:31 PM
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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: Buzzsaw] #8894189 08/02/23 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
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Similar.

For the circles, shoot one, stand up, walk around, come back and go to the next circle.

It really forces one to focus.

Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894192 08/02/23 06:38 PM
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Looks sort of like a benchrest score match target. Other than there are more rings.

Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894193 08/02/23 06:43 PM
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Black Death Challenge at 50 yards have humbled a LOT of very expensive rifles and shooters at the 22 matches.

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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: Buzzsaw] #8894195 08/02/23 06:46 PM
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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: jeffbird] #8894201 08/02/23 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffbird
The 1 MOA standard I look and strive for in a hunting rifle is the ability to hit a 1 MOA target with the cold bore shot.

One of my favorite practice drills is shooting a piece of paper with 1" circles at 100 yards, one shot per circle. The goal is to hit all twenty dots.

Here is a link to print out the target:

http://www.mytargets.com/target22%20circles%20x20.pdf

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We did 5-shot versions at one of the Hunter Challenge shoots. Quite a few shooters went 5/5.


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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894208 08/02/23 06:59 PM
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QSYB that’s not possible, did you not watch the video?

Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894285 08/02/23 08:40 PM
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1 shot to boresight, 1 sighter at 100, then the 1st 5 shot group with my Sako S20 6.5 PRC, 6-24x Arken EP4, Norma Factory 143gr match ammo. The factory Bondstrike shoots exactly the same. That square isn't quite 3/4" tall.

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Originally Posted by Jgraider
1 shot to boresight, 1 sighter at 100, then the 1st 5 shot group with my Sako S20 6.5 PRC, 6-24x Arken EP4, Norma Factory 143gr match ammo. The factory Bondstrike shoots exactly the same. That square isn't quite 3/4" tall.

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Meh, you missed 5 times.


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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: onlysmith&wesson] #8894342 08/02/23 10:08 PM
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1 shot to boresight, 1 sighter at 100, then the 1st 5 shot group with my Sako S20 6.5 PRC, 6-24x Arken EP4, Norma Factory 143gr match ammo. The factory Bondstrike shoots exactly the same. That square isn't quite 3/4" tall.

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Meh, you missed 5 times.


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Originally Posted by Jgraider
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1 shot to boresight, 1 sighter at 100, then the 1st 5 shot group with my Sako S20 6.5 PRC, 6-24x Arken EP4, Norma Factory 143gr match ammo. The factory Bondstrike shoots exactly the same. That square isn't quite 3/4" tall.

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Meh, you missed 5 times.


Wind drift....... grin

I recall this when you got it. Sako barrel like Tikka, forged?


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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: onlysmith&wesson] #8894412 08/03/23 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by onlysmith&wesson
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1 shot to boresight, 1 sighter at 100, then the 1st 5 shot group with my Sako S20 6.5 PRC, 6-24x Arken EP4, Norma Factory 143gr match ammo. The factory Bondstrike shoots exactly the same. That square isn't quite 3/4" tall.

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Meh, you missed 5 times.


Wind drift....... grin

I recall this when you got it. Sako barrel like Tikka, forged?


Tikka is a Sako barrel.


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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894420 08/03/23 12:33 AM
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I have a .bone stock 223 Savage model 16 I hunt with that will do MOA consistently with my 65 grain gameking hand loads. Still has the janky plastic stock and accutrigger, with a 3-10x Swarovski. It is my preferred doe gun.
10 shot string at 100 yards, allowing enough time for one reload. Rifle has a two hundred yard zero. Squares are 1”. It opens up a little after the first three, but not much.
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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: Smokey Bear] #8894449 08/03/23 01:16 AM
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One of the best loads I ever developed was with a Savage .223 Rem. Model 12 Varmint, 24".

It likes full throttle. 69 gr SMK at published maximum H-Varget. 3200 fps MV, and it ran to 800 yards, no problem.

Savages cycle like crap, and shoot good.


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This gameking load is very similar to your match king load. When I worked it up there was no published data on the 65 grain gameking yet. I worked it up using 69 grain SMK data. Compressed load with 26.1 grains of Varget.
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Originally Posted by wp75169
Dando, the difference is we’re not here selling ourselves regardless of facts. We’re here doing what we enjoy and talking about it and our results. Regardless of if we agree or not. I’m sure even the most arrogant of our legends in their own minds learns on a regular basis, be it from their own experience or others, just not from a YouTube hero when obviously their statements are not based in facts.

I do admire anyone capable of making money, but that doesn’t mean their work is admirable.


There is another way of making money in the gun industry.

It is the old fashion way. Providing goods and services, that the customer directly pays for.


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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894559 08/03/23 11:47 AM
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I think we've lost the point of the video a bit. It's not that we can't get factory rifles to shoot well, it's that the MOA guarantees by manufacturers are misleading to the average shooter.

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Originally Posted by HicksHunter
I think we've lost the point of the video a bit. It's not that we can't get factory rifles to shoot well, it's that the MOA guarantees by manufacturers are misleading to the average shooter.


Most of the fault lies in the ammunition.

And the second problem is asking a hunting barrel to shoot 5 consecutive shots. They are too thin to do that.


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Re: One MOA rifle? [Re: unclebubba] #8894626 08/03/23 01:55 PM
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Way to go Buzz!

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