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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: gusick]
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07/30/23 08:34 PM
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onlysmith&wesson
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Regardless of the group size, I notice nobody ever hits the center of the target. I didn't notice any extreme examples of it in that video, but it drives me nuts when people use a caliper to measure a group that is a foot and a half from where they were aiming. You mean like this: That's three shots, one from 100, moved back to 200 and put it in the same hole as the first 100 yard shot, fired another from 200, I missed the hole a little low. First shot was my constant zero, two follow up shots from 200 were dialed to 200 on my CDS dial. I've done this so many time with this rifle I stopped posting about it. I actually had an almost identical group from the lease yesterday, all from 100. Those groups that don't hit the bull are a measure of what the rifle and shooter can do, but not a final zero for hunting purposes. Any hunter will adjust zero and confirm with a shot or two.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: gusick]
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07/30/23 08:47 PM
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Regardless of the group size, I notice nobody ever hits the center of the target. I didn't notice any extreme examples of it in that video, but it drives me nuts when people use a caliper to measure a group that is a foot and a half from where they were aiming. 5. Feel better? Typically like stated you dial away from your poa. Otherwise you shoot your aiming point out and have nothing to aim at.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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07/30/23 09:11 PM
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: gusick]
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07/30/23 09:21 PM
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Regardless of the group size, I notice nobody ever hits the center of the target. I didn't notice any extreme examples of it in that video, but it drives me nuts when people use a caliper to measure a group that is a foot and a half from where they were aiming. Sometimes one has a rifle zero'd at 200 yds and wants to see what the POI is @ 100 yds Sometimes hitting the black diamond is not the end-all/be-all of the excercise. Rather,as in this case where I was testing which primer, experimentation to develop an accuracy/velocity quotient for load development It has been known to happen....... but it also begs the question, when employing a hunting rifle for game the size of pigs and deer how good is good enough to say 'when' It has been my experience that at 150 yds or less where I'd say 98% of the hundreds of critters I've dispatched even a 2 MOA rifle will typically do the job! Quien Sabe, GWB
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: Jgraider]
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07/31/23 02:46 AM
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Regardless of the group size, I notice nobody ever hits the center of the target. I didn't notice any extreme examples of it in that video, but it drives me nuts when people use a caliper to measure a group that is a foot and a half from where they were aiming. During load development, the bull is nothing more than a consistent aiming point (POA). Zeroing can be done after finding the load, at least that's how I roll. That being said, if I were a foot off I'd do something about that. yes
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: Buzzsaw]
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07/31/23 03:17 AM
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Regardless of the group size, I notice nobody ever hits the center of the target. I didn't notice any extreme examples of it in that video, but it drives me nuts when people use a caliper to measure a group that is a foot and a half from where they were aiming. During load development, the bull is nothing more than a consistent aiming point (POA). Zeroing can be done after finding the load, at least that's how I roll. That being said, if I were a foot off I'd do something about that. yes Agree and most of my rifles have never had a dial for distance scope on them and use usually a one or 2 inch above zero so 100 yard groups that is where the group is one or two inches high.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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07/31/23 03:47 AM
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The dude from Backfire is probably one of the more annoying youtube 'gun personalities' as of lately...
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: Big Sam]
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07/31/23 05:38 PM
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Yup. Excellent video. 1 MOA with a hunting rifle.... on demand.... is fairly rare. What a person can do once with 3 shots has no real meaning. But we guys tend to be pretty good at lying to ourselves. Me, anyway. I disagree that 3 shot groups are without meaning. If I can shoot 3 3shot groups in a row under an inch within 10 minutes that means nothing? I agree if it can not be repeated then it is a fluke. That said there are a lot more MOA rifles than there are MOA shooters. Sorry if I have over simplified my point. A 3 shot group is a single 3 shot group. From that you can learn very little. Your 3, 3 shot groups are 9 shots. You can learn a lot from 9 shots. I am a fan of 5 shot groups because (or so I have read) that is the smallest number of samples that are statistically valuable. A couple years ago I was challenged that 10 shots are the beginning of knowing how accurate the load is in your rifle. But, like you, I always test with 3, 5 shot groups to determine accuracy. I was not even thinking about first shot accuracy in my reply but that IS where the meat comes from. It would make an excellent thread for us all. Not sure where I read about it, maybe some long ago Elmer Kieth article but a real group supposedly was one shot a day for ten days.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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07/31/23 07:21 PM
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Both my CTRs will easily do it. My 6.8 will do it with the right ammo if fairly clean; it's 5.56 twin will do it (both have a 1MOA guarantee and meet it). My 788 and my 700 won't do it with factory ammo. My .300 WM won't do it with factory ammo.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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07/31/23 08:05 PM
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I think most rifles/shooters lose their "MOA rifle" after 200 yards. Most wont shoot 3" group at 300 yards. Notice I said MOST , not ALL. 10" at 1000 yards is MOA, and so on to infinity so NO riles are "MOA" rifles
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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07/31/23 08:06 PM
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My only question is how much does YouTube pay him for views from more than 787,000 subscribers? This latest video has over 245,000 views.
According to one website I found, once you reach enough subscribers, YouTube can pay as much as $0.12 per view. That would mean his latest video netted him more than $29K over the last five days.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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07/31/23 11:37 PM
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My only question is how much does YouTube pay him for views from more than 787,000 subscribers? This latest video has over 245,000 views.
According to one website I found, once you reach enough subscribers, YouTube can pay as much as $0.12 per view. That would mean his latest video netted him more than $29K over the last five days.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: Pig_Popper]
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07/31/23 11:47 PM
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My only question is how much does YouTube pay him for views from more than 787,000 subscribers? This latest video has over 245,000 views.
According to one website I found, once you reach enough subscribers, YouTube can pay as much as $0.12 per view. That would mean his latest video netted him more than $29K over the last five days. It's his way of measuring if someone should be paid attention to, and plagiarized or not. He knows zero, and is getting paid zero in the gun industry.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
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08/01/23 12:07 AM
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: gusick]
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08/01/23 12:30 AM
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Regardless of the group size, I notice nobody ever hits the center of the target. I didn't notice any extreme examples of it in that video, but it drives me nuts when people use a caliper to measure a group that is a foot and a half from where they were aiming. 1st shot cold bore. 5 shots total.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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08/01/23 01:39 AM
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6 rounds from a factory 260 CTR a couple of weeks ago. That’s the new load at 42.9. It’s not any better than the 40.8 load but it’s much faster. Easier to beat the wind.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: wp75169]
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08/01/23 01:41 AM
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6 rounds from a factory 260 CTR a couple of weeks ago. That’s the new load at 42.9. It’s not any better than the 40.8 load but it’s much faster. Easier to beat the wind. That's not even centered on target. What good is that?
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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08/01/23 01:51 AM
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I know right, not sure what I was thinking.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
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08/01/23 01:44 PM
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Texas Dan
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My only question is how much does YouTube pay him for views from more than 787,000 subscribers? This latest video has over 245,000 views.
According to one website I found, once you reach enough subscribers, YouTube can pay as much as $0.12 per view. That would mean his latest video netted him more than $29K over the last five days. It's his way of measuring if someone should be paid attention to, and plagiarized or not. He knows zero, and is getting paid zero in the gun industry. I was just curious how much his video might have bankrolled while you legends in your own mind piss and moan about his results.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/01/23 01:47 PM
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My only question is how much does YouTube pay him for views from more than 787,000 subscribers? This latest video has over 245,000 views.
According to one website I found, once you reach enough subscribers, YouTube can pay as much as $0.12 per view. That would mean his latest video netted him more than $29K over the last five days. It's his way of measuring if someone should be paid attention to, and plagiarized or not. He knows zero, and is getting paid zero in the gun industry. I was just curious how much his video might have bankrolled while you legends in your own mind piss and moan about his results. I would challenge that clown to come here and go up against some of the minds that post here, while were at it invite Spomer as well.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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08/01/23 02:24 PM
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He achieved his goal, which is to get more views. In other words, he trolled ya'll.
I've watched many of his videos and the content is good. Guy has big bucks from somewhere. Most Youtubers could be called trolls by putting out these "challenge" videos.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
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08/01/23 02:46 PM
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He achieved his goal, which is to get more views. In other words, he trolled ya'll.
I've watched many of his videos and the content is good. Guy has big bucks from somewhere. Most Youtubers could be called trolls by putting out these "challenge" videos. It also takes having guests who carry credentials based on recognized achievements. And the ads they create in their videos point to added resources to help pay their production costs, which may include paying their better known guests. And with today's relatively inexpensive video editing software, these videos can be produced quickly for a lot less than people think. As for trolling, some folks look for information that challenges their current knowledge, while others avoid anything that goes against the status quo. A good example was the competitive shooter who shared how his barrel cleaning regime includes using CLR. Nope, not ready to try that one.
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Re: One MOA rifle?
[Re: unclebubba]
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08/01/23 03:21 PM
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Re: One MOA rifle?
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08/01/23 07:58 PM
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I think most rifles/shooters lose their "MOA rifle" after 200 yards. Most wont shoot 3" group at 300 yards. Notice I said MOST , not ALL. 10" at 1000 yards is MOA, and so on to infinity so NO riles are "MOA" rifles May not be true in a vacuum, but in the field, it's going to be tough. At 300 yds, a 10mph wind pushes my CM 4.7 inches. So if shot 1 is zero wind, and any other shot is full-value, I've already blown it. Even is shot 1 is half-value, all the other factors might easily push the group over 3".
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Re: One MOA rifle?
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08/02/23 02:35 AM
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