Yep. There are fossils of all of those on this side of the world.

Ok, then I wonder what happened

W.D.M. "Karamojo" Bell's autobiography is a good read. Just don't get the Kindle version.

God flooded the earth.

I would go for it If I could take a poacher AND an elephant

Noah docked and opened the doors and that was it?

I believe in God The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. There are a lot of things not fully explained to us in the Bible. I'd like to think the mass continent theory and a later break up of the land mass, after animals had found their ideal habitats covers how some species are only found on one continent, present day. Not sure how this squares with the world time line I had to study in college taking historical geology. A lot of things I just tell myself, "It just is".

I wasn't gonna weigh in on this but, hell, why not? Especially since my attitude toward hunting old ndlovu has changed over time...

When I first went to Africa close to thirty years ago, I figured there was no way I'd ever shoot an elephant. Cost was a consideration for a man with a young family, to be sure...but I also didn't think I wanted to. Kinda like the fact that I've never had an interest in taking a moose...I figure anything that ugly has enough problems and doesn't need me piling on.

I was hunting in Matetsi in '98 when I got close to my first jumbo...I didn't have one on license so it was just to "have a look". My PH (an old Zim culling team man who knew his elephant) explained that their eyesight beyond 50 yards is laughable...as we marched right toward the small bunch of bulls across mostly open ground. Between 50 and 25 yards, he said they can pick up movement pretty well...so mind your cover and your motion. Inside 25 yards they can see just fine...and congratulations; you're now inside his "personal space". Get his attention at this range and he's gonna make a decision REAL fast...either leave or trundle over to have a chat with you. Of course their hearing and sense of smell are phenomenal at all ranges given that nose and those ears. I very quickly fell in love with these enormous creatures.

Elephant taken properly are an "up close and personal" endeavour otherwise it's just killing a marvelous animal with as much personal risk as playing your average FPS video game. I learned a lot about myself when I took my first elephant at tag-you're-it distance, and his ivory serves as a daily reminder of the honor that is his due. I was elbow-deep in the butchering of his massive carcass, and locals filtered in for miles to obtain a piece of protein that they'd otherwise never have access to...

Banning the importation of sport-taken ivory was yet another example of our government meddling in things that they have no knowledge of...yet they (and only they) know best what's needed. It's tragic because the elephant population is what ultimately suffers from wrong-headed policies.

Rant mode off...

If Jim Holsumbach in Lufkin is still with us, he would be the 1st or 2nd guy I looked up and asked all the ?'s I could think of.

# 2 guy would be Mims Reed, the Sako Collectors Club founder would be the other guy I'd find and get him to give you his insight ....both men like hunting Cape Buffalo too.
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Pass on Elephant hunting.

Well said.

Really? I never knew we had fossils of a North American Ape?

We will Bobo and GUTIT pass.

You’re cheating yourself on one of the greatest hunting experiences you will ever go on.

The meat gets eaten, don’t worry about that.

Good video.



I've met Buzz a few times. He used to always wear a Crocodile Dundee hat. 'Guess he's matured.

We were in northern Limpopo near Botswana. Lots of Francolin ( looks like a female bobwhite ) and Guinea hens. Tons of dove too as well as sand grouse.

If I were to go back I would enjoy an evening of wing shooting. Dove populations weren’t outrageous, you can have similarly good shoots here, but it would be worth doing.

I borrowed a .22 mag to take a lone francolin I saw walking down the road.

Some random giraffe pics for a Sunday evening :

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/science/oldest-primates-north-america/#:~:text=Evolution-,Oldest%2Dknown%20ancestor%20of%20modern%20primates%20may%20have,from%20North%20America%2C%20not%20Asia&text=About%2056%20million%20years,its%20fingers%20around%20a%20branch.

When God flooded the earth, did the elephants, giraffes and lions all get off the Ark in Africa?

Meanwhile, the whitetail, mule deer and elk got off here?

I still wonder why

The story of the Ark is one that is commonly referenced by skeptics to try and debunk the Bible. I read an article some time ago that makes very good sense and it’s an idea that I get behind:

Imagine we are back in the day of Noah. No internet, TV, news, nor widespread travel. You’re limited to what you have seen and know to be true your “world” exists of a relatively small area compared to todays time. Upon Gods instruction, Noah builds an Ark and fills it with two of every animal….two of every animal that exists IN NOAH’S WORLD. So we may only be talking about a dozen or so species. God floods the “world” ( may have been very localized flooding relative to the earth) and 40 days later the rain stops, water starts to recede and he eventually makes landfall.

To me, the takeaway was Noah and his family gathered up animals because God told them to, it was an act of obedience. God didn’t depend on Noah to repopulate the earth with animals. I have no doubt the story of the Ark is factual, but I don’t believe it’s in the same frame that is commonly held by most folks who reference the story.

Just like Adam & Eve….God said they were the first people on Earth, but he didn’t say he stopped making people after those first two. After Cain killed Able, he went into thr land of Nod and found a wife. She came from somewhere….

God also placed a mark on Cain so other people would know not to harm him. Who were these people? At this point in the Bible, Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel were the only people mentioned.

Good video

Where was NOT flooded?

On multiple continents there is fossilized sea life way above today's sea level.

I brought back a sea shell from Sanderson, TX. 2789' ASL.

And my fossil was collected another 300' up.

Tink Nathan (Tink's 69) is the only person I've ever met that has killed an elephant with a bow.

I hunted north of Alpine and I found a big mollusk on top of a small hill that was around 4000’ above sea level.

I found so many shells and fossilized sea life on that place was unreal.