I dont know anything about any of this stuff but I would say "dont settle". Wait for what you want.

Sending you a pm with a link for one in stock.

Those are some nice people. I spoke with them yesterday, they just haven’t updated their website, they sold it Wednesday or Thursday.


Thanks for taking the time and looking.

There is a reason the 420 is more available…

Yep, I was able to get a used one in excellent condition last night. Saved a few dollars and considering their warranty I don’t have any issues with buying used.

I meant that it was less desirable than the 527 is why it's more available.

Smart move buying used. Makes it where you can switch later if you don't like it without taking a huge $ hit

I understood what you were saying. I did buy the 527 not the 420. I want to grow up and shoot for groups at a 1000 one day, not just hit the steel. For me that’s a lofty goal the 27x should be a benefit right there.


For the naysayers, look into who started NF and then went to run Kahles US. That is the man who owns and started ZCO. Hell I’m optimistic.

Your next investment should be in a set of wind flags.

I didn’t see you at the last match but obviously you saw me.

I could use some wind flags. My understanding is good but my judgement is poor.

Ha! No, I just know I've been around the world's best sniper trainer up in the TX Panhandle several times while he and his "students" are working. The wind is always doing something up there. If you can imagine a wagon wheel laying on the ground.......the hub is a shooting station, and the spokes go out to 1500 meters and they're all lined with wind flags. His "students" can shoot in every conceivable wind situation from a single point, and those flags are doing crazy things up and down those lanes and it is quite eye opening.

Accuracy 1st? Todd Hodnett?

Yessir. It's very enlightening watching these guys.

No flags on my range. There's no flags when hunting or shooting matches. Just what nature provides.

According to his bio and site, impressive, very impressive training set up and instruction. Shooting 360° in panhandle wind is hard to beat for someone that will need to put the training to real work. The biggest surprise about what I read on his site, it's only like $1500.00 for three days. If I ever decide to extend my max range that's where I'd go.

You and me both. I'm just a bystander when I get to go. Keep my mouth shut and listen/watch. The ranch foreman on the place we've been whitetail hunting is one of his good buddies. The most fun is getting to watch them shoot prarie dogs at 800M on their days off. They love it. As TH says, they don't make cold bore, first round hits every time, but don't let them shoot twice. Elevation is way easy to these guys, but wind is voodoo even to the best shooters in the world. David Tubb lives there too, and will tell you the same thing.

I'm at 500 yards on deer, we have plenty of dried grass, brush, trees, etc. for wind calls. There's only been a few times I was shooting a distance and there was enough wind for me to have to take it into consideration.

I saw Accuracy 1st, Todd Hodnett's range. Other than mirage I don't know how they would call wind without flags. Since the people he trains won't have the benefit of flags and have to make shots that mean a whole lot more than hitting a deer I bet it's part of the 3 day curriculum, or covered in other courses. Still, $1500.00 for three days, just getting to shoot that much on a range like that is worth the price.

If I took a class like that I would want to see flags. I like visual aid and there is absolutely no reason not to have the reference

Wind flags are for puzzies.

And world champions.

I can see that. In nature, neither are there targets of a known size with the yardage marked on them. When I shot at 475 yards, the range was marked, I knew the dimensions of the steel and the wind was easy to estimate. I was 4 for 4 as I recall. Had there been nothing but bare ground and rocks between me and the target, flags required for me. No doubt about it, the shooters that go to Accuracy 1st will know how to get it done without flags when they have to.

What I like is when you have a disturbance in the terrain and the wind is blowing in opposite directions depending on which side of it you’re on. That’s a thing, I didn’t know it was a thing until a couple of years ago, but it’s a thing. I’m sure more experienced shooters see it all the time.

It's a thing, that's for sure. Along with Hodnett, this fella named Tubb lives up there too. He has won 11 National long range titles at Camp Perry, and 7 National long range titles, arguably the best and most accomplished long range shooter in history. I'd take his opinion on wind flags over anyone elses.......

You should try gettin some

He shot a PRS match just east of his home. The Heatstroke Open, in Camargo, OK. His squad immediately ahead of mine.

No flags out there. And not much time to get shots off, in all shooting positions. He had a hard time and did not come back the next year. Ft.Sill active duty Army Snipers have done well, but had a hard time there as well.

"World Champion" depends on what discipline.

Trees, grass, mirage, sound is all that's needed.