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Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: wp75169] #8824707 03/28/23 01:24 AM
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I'm betting JG taught Tubb everything he knows.

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If you want to learn wind not using flags this course is very good and the Blue Steel ranch has some tough winds as well. My Kestrel hit mid 50mph winds out there.

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Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: J.G.] #8825158 03/28/23 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by J.G.
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What I like is when you have a disturbance in the terrain and the wind is blowing in opposite directions depending on which side of it you’re on. That’s a thing, I didn’t know it was a thing until a couple of years ago, but it’s a thing. I’m sure more experienced shooters see it all the time.



It's a thing, that's for sure. Along with Hodnett, this fella named Tubb lives up there too. He has won 11 National long range titles at Camp Perry, and 7 National long range titles, arguably the best and most accomplished long range shooter in history. I'd take his opinion on wind flags over anyone elses.......




He shot a PRS match just east of his home. The Heatstroke Open, in Camargo, OK. His squad immediately ahead of mine.

No flags out there. And not much time to get shots off, in all shooting positions. He had a hard time and did not come back the next year. Ft.Sill active duty Army Snipers have done well, but had a hard time there as well.

"World Champion" depends on what discipline.


That was my squad. My razor was going tits up that match and he kept trying to sell me one of his luepy mk8 with his voodoo reticle that doesn’t require dialing. It’s odd and based off of time of flight but works. Oddly him and Todd don’t care for each other last I heard despite both being Canadians. From what I understood David was messing with the tof stuff early on and Todd pirated the idea and then the wind dot tremor reticle was born and sold to the military wholesale like.


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Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: dee] #8825165 03/28/23 11:28 PM
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If memory serves, both of us outscored Tubb.


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Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: J.G.] #8825179 03/28/23 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by J.G.
If memory serves, both of us outscored Tubb.


I didn’t as my mighty vortex got progressively worse.


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When you trust a Vortex, it will tell you why that was a mistake.


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Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: wp75169] #8825264 03/29/23 02:31 AM
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Those two definitely aren't best buddies, that's for sure. I don't see Tubb much anymore, but sometimes he's very friendly, sometimes not so much. Like him or not, claim to have outshot him, or whatever else a guy can come up with, fact is nobody has the hardware he does, period.

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Originally Posted by wp75169
I understood what you were saying. I did buy the 527 not the 420. I want to grow up and shoot for groups at a 1000 one day, not just hit the steel. For me that’s a lofty goal the 27x should be a benefit right there.


For the naysayers, look into who started NF and then went to run Kahles US. That is the man who owns and started ZCO. Hell I’m optimistic.



Copy, congrats!

Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: Jgraider] #8825382 03/29/23 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgraider
Those two definitely aren't best buddies, that's for sure. I don't see Tubb much anymore, but sometimes he's very friendly, sometimes not so much. Like him or not, claim to have outshot him, or whatever else a guy can come up with, fact is nobody has the hardware he does, period.


This started with wind flags, then your "world champion" words.

Then him shooting a match without flags gave him a hard time.

Now, he's got more hardware than everyone else.

Got it.


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What year did this heat stroke open take place?

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Originally Posted by J.G.
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Those two definitely aren't best buddies, that's for sure. I don't see Tubb much anymore, but sometimes he's very friendly, sometimes not so much. Like him or not, claim to have outshot him, or whatever else a guy can come up with, fact is nobody has the hardware he does, period.


This started with wind flags, then your "world champion" words.

Then him shooting a match without flags gave him a hard time.

Now, he's got more hardware than everyone else.

Got it.


The "Napoleon complex", known informally as small man syndrome, is a syndrome normally attributed to people of short stature. It is characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behavior, and carries the implication that such behavior is compensatory for the subject's physical or social shortcomings.

I got a base hit off of Roger Clemens one time. That doesn't make me Ted Williams. Glad you finally got it, as there's a time to talk, and a time to take notes. When Tubb or Hodnett talk about what works, it's time for you to take notes.



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What year did this heat stroke open take place?


It’s been several years. That match hasn’t happened in some years. He would sometimes shoot another match called shoot for the green. The year I shot it he did pretty good but it was a majority prone match with long par times so it was in his wheelhouse. He was fun to be squadded with as we chatted a ton about shooting in general.


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Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: Jgraider] #8825509 03/29/23 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgraider
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Those two definitely aren't best buddies, that's for sure. I don't see Tubb much anymore, but sometimes he's very friendly, sometimes not so much. Like him or not, claim to have outshot him, or whatever else a guy can come up with, fact is nobody has the hardware he does, period.


This started with wind flags, then your "world champion" words.

Then him shooting a match without flags gave him a hard time.

Now, he's got more hardware than everyone else.

Got it.


The "Napoleon complex", known informally as small man syndrome, is a syndrome normally attributed to people of short stature. It is characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behavior, and carries the implication that such behavior is compensatory for the subject's physical or social shortcomings.

I got a base hit off of Roger Clemens one time. That doesn't make me Ted Williams. Glad you finally got it, as there's a time to talk, and a time to take notes. When Tubb or Hodnett talk about what works, it's time for you to take notes.




Great description of yourself.

Go take classes from them, then. Clearly they are your idols.


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Re: Long range X vs clarity [Re: wp75169] #8825513 03/29/23 04:01 PM
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I'm 6'2" 235, guessing by your ego you're 5'6" 150. We all know who Napoleon is around here as you remind us quite often with pearls like "If memory serves, both of us outscored Tubb." You eventually woke up from that dream I assume.

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