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Nilgai extermination #8813384 03/06/23 05:21 PM
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Notice there was no mention of hunting as an alternative. In fact they shot up Atascosa NWR a couple of weeks before a scheduled Nilgai drawn hunt in 2020.

https://docslib.org/doc/7618233/pop...tion-district-areas-cameron-county-texas

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That document is dated 2014 …


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Originally Posted by syncerus
That document is dated 2014 …


Why yes it is, it is still the format being used for Nilgai control. Notice hunting is not listed as a method of control. In fact aerial gunning is getting to be very popular and when they start removing us..........

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So no one cares that our public draw hunts are being intentionally or through incompetence sabotaged?

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Originally Posted by rickt300
So no one cares that our public draw hunts are being intentionally or through incompetence sabotaged?


have you hunted down there?


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I take it your new to public hunting. For as long as I have been hunting public land, pretty much every State and Federal Wildlife Management Area, Refuge, etc. has had some sort of plan to restore and conserve native plant and animal life that includes eradication, removal, or control of exotics. And some areas such as Mason Mountain which was required to be self sufficient did use trapping and selling of exotics over a few years to build a trust to fund future conservation of the WMA. I imagine other new future WMAs will use the same plan. Multiple other examples I am aware of. Garner was able to remove maybe 50 Axis in a single commercial hunt when the previous years public hunts failed having not removed that many combined over many years. Aoudad removal at Big Bend is another. Goat and Mouflon removal from Amistad Nat Rec Area happens from time to time, Hog removal or trapping goes on just about every WMA has them. And there have been many more examples. Any of the WMAs with exotics has had a plan to remove them in the best way possible to be successful. Public hunting exotics is only an opportunity for hunters and just not successful enough to fully meet those management demands. TPWD is not in the business of managing exotics and hogs for hunting. Overall they are trying to remove and control them in whatever way is best to restore and protect native wildlife and habitat on public property. This is why it was important to me to draw that Powderhorn hunt a couple three years ago. Eventually those Sambar will be gone from that WMA. Same for getting to take an Ibex on Mason Mnt. They trapped them out during the 8 years after my hunt. As a public hunter looking for unusual hunting opportunities do I like that some exotics are not considered naturalised and not managed for hunting? Of course not. But as a conservationist, I understand why they are doing it. It's been this way for my lifetime. Crying about it is not going to change our State's conservation efforts. Any of the public hunt draws that include exotics, it is important to do your DD in advance to find out if the exotics listed do in fact still remain in huntable numbers and to make sure there was no trapping or aerial hunting control work ongoing that year and decide if it may impact your hunt.

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Originally Posted by Sniper John
I take it your new to public hunting. For as long as I have been hunting public land, pretty much every State and Federal Wildlife Management Area, Refuge, etc. has had some sort of plan to restore and conserve native plant and animal life that includes eradication, removal, or control of exotics. And some areas such as Mason Mountain which was required to be self sufficient did use trapping and selling of exotics over a few years to build a trust to fund future conservation of the WMA. I imagine other new future WMAs will use the same plan. Multiple other examples I am aware of. Garner was able to remove maybe 50 Axis in a single commercial hunt when the previous years public hunts failed having not removed that many combined over many years. Aoudad removal at Big Bend is another. Goat and Mouflon removal from Amistad Nat Rec Area happens from time to time, Hog removal or trapping goes on just about every WMA has them. And there have been many more examples. Any of the WMAs with exotics has had a plan to remove them in the best way possible to be successful. Public hunting exotics is only an opportunity for hunters and just not successful enough to fully meet those management demands. TPWD is not in the business of managing exotics and hogs for hunting. Overall they are trying to remove and control them in whatever way is best to restore and protect native wildlife and habitat on public property. This is why it was important to me to draw that Powderhorn hunt a couple three years ago. Eventually those Sambar will be gone from that WMA. Same for getting to take an Ibex on Mason Mnt. They trapped them out during the 8 years after my hunt. As a public hunter looking for unusual hunting opportunities do I like that some exotics are not considered naturalised and not managed for hunting? Of course not. But as a conservationist, I understand why they are doing it. It's been this way for my lifetime. Crying about it is not going to change our State's conservation efforts. Any of the public hunt draws that include exotics, it is important to do your DD in advance to find out if the exotics listed do in fact still remain in huntable numbers and to make sure there was no trapping or aerial hunting control work ongoing that year and decide if it may impact your hunt.

Gee Sniper John, I hope your shooting is better than your reading comprehension because you missed the point. That being if they are going to hold draw hunts people pay for, spend money traveling to,for lodging then they should not do Aerial gunning cull shooting right before the hunt. I mean being used to assess the effectiveness of the aerial gunnery is not what I or anyone else would enter a draw for.

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by rickt300
So no one cares that our public draw hunts are being intentionally or through incompetence sabotaged?


have you hunted down there?


No and if they are going to do cull shoots before the draw hunts I won't either.

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Hunted down there this year saw tons of nilgai.


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Originally Posted by redchevy
Hunted down there this year saw tons of nilgai.


Yeah but that really isn’t a reliable baseline.

We should listen to the guy that has never been there for more accurate information


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Originally Posted by redchevy
Hunted down there this year saw tons of nilgai.


Yeah but that really isn’t a reliable baseline.

We should listen to the guy that has never been there for more accurate information

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Yeah listen to that guy…The same guy who said there are hardly any pigs left at Hagerman WMA.

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Originally Posted by rickt300
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So no one cares that our public draw hunts are being intentionally or through incompetence sabotaged?


have you hunted down there?


No and if they are going to do cull shoots before the draw hunts I won't either.


there are plenty, essentially they need to do aerial because of hunting laziness and fever ticks. they guys that get it, tag out.


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I don't have an issue with population control. I don't understand why it is done right before the drawn hunts. I do remember a reason for this but I don't remember that I bought it 100%. It may have been that the helicopter hunts were just a continuations project and weren't necessarily scheduled ahead of drawn hunts.. Still, if your going to have a drawn hunt, it's not a good look to be out shooting the animals two weeks before the hunts take place. Yes, there are plenty (I had no problem on hagerman) but an argument can be made that there are a heck of a lot less than there were two weeks before.


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Most of us hunters in Texas understand the reason and purpose for herd control. But the huge questions is....why not issue more draw tags and extend the hunting periods for those exotics that have been selected? THEN AND ONLY THEN should the herd management come into play.

Another questionable example is how TPWD did the same removal tactic to clear out a herd of elk so that the bighorn sheep could be implanted in the same area in west Texas, to keep the ek from interfering with the settlement of the sheep.

Texas hunters deserve to have the opportunity, and the right, to be given a better chance of being able to hunt these exotic species in our state. I have submitted draw tags for exotics and other game animals for the past 10 years and have never been drawn.

That is what makes this action by TPWD most irritating and upsetting!


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Sierra Diablo was the original bighorn release and breeding facility, they where there before the elk showed back up in numbers. I don’t agree with elk onsite killing, I also hunted around the park for elk when they where driving them out, so cant yell to loud about something i tried to take advantage of.

biggest issue is we as hunters look at state and federal WMA, as our exclusive hunting grounds. If given year round access to pigs and exotics it would have bad adverse effects on native animals it was designed to protect and manage. not to mention other users.

I see both sides, I also know that hunting in limited access areas has limited effects on numbers. especially in swamp



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Let’s be honest, the average hunter is a pretty inefficient predator.

I can see TPWD having to use professionals to reach target numbers on state owned lands.


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Let’s be honest, the average hunter is a pretty inefficient predator.

I can see TPWD having to use professionals to reach target numbers on state owned lands.



I don't disagree at all. Just think the timing stinks.


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It is inexcusable to plan something like this right before a drawn hunt. Hunters effected by this should be given another opportunity after a failed hunt.


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Better yet an opportunity at a different, more preferential location if he so desires.

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Sierra Diablo was the original bighorn release and breeding facility, they where there before the elk showed back up in numbers. I don’t agree with elk onsite killing, I also hunted around the park for elk when they where driving them out, so cant yell to loud about something i tried to take advantage of.

biggest issue is we as hunters look at state and federal WMA, as our exclusive hunting grounds. If given year round access to pigs and exotics it would have bad adverse effects on native animals it was designed to protect and manage. not to mention other users.

I see both sides, I also know that hunting in limited access areas has limited effects on numbers. especially in swamp



How would law abiding hunters have bad adverse effects on native animals? The real point being the people in charge are taking our money, not using it to provide opportunity or worse using it to lessen opportunity.

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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Sierra Diablo was the original bighorn release and breeding facility, they where there before the elk showed back up in numbers. I don’t agree with elk onsite killing, I also hunted around the park for elk when they where driving them out, so cant yell to loud about something i tried to take advantage of.

biggest issue is we as hunters look at state and federal WMA, as our exclusive hunting grounds. If given year round access to pigs and exotics it would have bad adverse effects on native animals it was designed to protect and manage. not to mention other users.

I see both sides, I also know that hunting in limited access areas has limited effects on numbers. especially in swamp



How would law abiding hunters have bad adverse effects on native animals? The real point being the people in charge are taking our money, not using it to provide opportunity or worse using it to lessen opportunity.



consistent pressure has adverse effects, the mandate of a federal Wildlife management area isn't to provide over populated invasive species for you at the determent of other wildlife. Regardless wont be a 365 day season ever in any WMA

if hunters where as efficient has we thought we where then they wouldnt have to knock populations back in WMA. Access is an issue, especially in swampy areas, also get pushed out of the WMA.

Biggest issue is the fever trick problems that niligai where causing crossing back and forth across the border. Hunting wasnt working enough. Originally it was thought they couldnt carry them but once they found out they had to knock population back.


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Originally Posted by Bryan C. Heimann
It is inexcusable to plan something like this right before a drawn hunt. Hunters effected by this should be given another opportunity after a failed hunt.


ironically the success rate didnt change much. Bad optics, but I get they wanted to hammer numbers on part of tge WMA before they where pushed to obscure areas or off property where they couldnt knock them back.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by Bryan C. Heimann
It is inexcusable to plan something like this right before a drawn hunt. Hunters effected by this should be given another opportunity after a failed hunt.


ironically the success rate didnt change much. Bad optics, but I get they wanted to hammer numbers on part of tge WMA before they where pushed to obscure areas or off property where they couldnt knock them back.



That was the reason I was not remembering.


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Evidently, things never change. Those who collect guv paychecks know better than us. And that goes from city to Feds.

And somebody has a $ dog in the fight.

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by Bryan C. Heimann
It is inexcusable to plan something like this right before a drawn hunt. Hunters effected by this should be given another opportunity after a failed hunt.


ironically the success rate didnt change much. Bad optics, but I get they wanted to hammer numbers on part of tge WMA before they where pushed to obscure areas or off property where they couldnt knock them back.


Ironically the TPWD gets all it's money from hunters and should cater to them. Is that too difficult for you? If you will note hunting is not even listed as a method of control.

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