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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/16/23 03:10 PM
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Dave Davidson
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I see both sides. Inflation is whacking everybody. Thank the politicians at all levels for that. They’ve destroyed the economy. The landowner is getting whacked on taxes and expenses. The price/value of his land is escalating due to demand . So are the taxes. Maintaining and replacing equipment is much more expensive.
On this site, we often hear about greedy landowners. But, the wildlife is a marketable asset.
And, just like us, he badly needs a raise to keep his head above water. Some that I know figure to have to sell the land to some guy from California.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
#8802695
02/16/23 04:48 PM
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Texas Dan
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No, not trying to get that complicated; regardless of land arrangement, leasing arrangement, etc., what highest per acreage price, $ are you willing to pay for a spot or whole lease yourself? Simple and easy to interpret, how I like my posts - Keep it Simple Stupid (KISS), Big lease - Big ticket lessors need not play if they can't or don't want to answer post as posed. Thanks So if you're sharing the lease with others you're looking for your cost per acre rather than the total cost per acre? Needless to say there can be a tremendous difference between the two based on the number of people on the lease. My target has been $10 an acre for a lease that's within a 2-hour drive from Houston. Right now a friend and I share a 75-acre lease in East Texas at $8/acre each or $16 total to the landowner.
"When the debate is lost, insults become the tool of the loser."
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
#8802783
02/16/23 06:59 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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No, not trying to get that complicated; regardless of land arrangement, leasing arrangement, etc., what highest per acreage price, $ are you willing to pay for a spot or whole lease yourself? Simple and easy to interpret, how I like my posts - Keep it Simple Stupid (KISS), Big lease - Big ticket lessors need not play if they can't or don't want to answer post as posed. Thanks acreage price isn't as relevant as total cost per hunter in reference to what the hunter over lap is.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/16/23 07:02 PM
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Gumbeaux
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I've got a great deal on my lease with a great land owner and great hunters. I can't complain. Here in the Hill Country I've been hearing of large numbers of hunters getting on small tracts and actually alternating weekends to hunt. Think 12 hunters on 3-400 acres with 4 out any given weekend. Those places are going to get shot up.
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/16/23 07:35 PM
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huntincoach
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Paying 10 prolly stop at 15
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: QMC SW/EXW]
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02/17/23 08:39 PM
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steventtu
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Yep, agreed! If you're not a diehard B&C guy, there are so many public-land opportunities in Texas, despite what forums/media may tell you. There are also a lot of 0pt opportunities in CO.
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: steventtu]
#8803475
02/17/23 08:44 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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kind of a big deal
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Yep, agreed! If you're not a diehard B&C guy, there are so many public-land opportunities in Texas, despite what forums/media may tell you. There are also a lot of 0pt opportunities in CO. yelp. I really find it funny. Public land 15min from my house has bigger deer then my last two whitetail leases. reminds me I need todo some draw apps this weekend
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/18/23 10:29 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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Ok, do either a per acre $$$$ or total spot cost for your avg. to above average lease, not mega lease please.... $6000.00 for the right place. I paid less than 1/2 that on my previous lease and felt like it wasn't worth it. Too many hunters, too many guests, etc. The lease I'm fortunate to have now, worth every penny.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/18/23 01:14 PM
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tlk
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Ok, do either a per acre $$$$ or total spot cost for your avg. to above average lease, not mega lease please.... $6000.00 for the right place. I paid less than 1/2 that on my previous lease and felt like it wasn't worth it. Too many hunters, too many guests, etc. The lease I'm fortunate to have now, worth every penny. agree totally - too many hunters on a property plus too many guest has ruined a lot of leases IMO -
You can't fix stupid
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: tlk]
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02/18/23 03:02 PM
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DQ Kid
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Ok, do either a per acre $$$$ or total spot cost for your avg. to above average lease, not mega lease please.... $6000.00 for the right place. I paid less than 1/2 that on my previous lease and felt like it wasn't worth it. Too many hunters, too many guests, etc. The lease I'm fortunate to have now, worth every penny. agree totally - too many hunters on a property plus too many guest has ruined a lot of leases IMO - I could see a scenario similar, 2000 acres at $50K total spread over 8 spots, effectively being $25 per acre. In this scenario, I would not agree to doing it if it was just a dedicated 250 acres per gun of the full 2000 acres, that would not appeal to me. Would need to be "open" stands on the full 2000 acres.
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
#8803854
02/18/23 03:24 PM
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onlysmith&wesson
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Ok, do either a per acre $$$$ or total spot cost for your avg. to above average lease, not mega lease please.... $6000.00 for the right place. I paid less than 1/2 that on my previous lease and felt like it wasn't worth it. Too many hunters, too many guests, etc. The lease I'm fortunate to have now, worth every penny. agree totally - too many hunters on a property plus too many guest has ruined a lot of leases IMO - I could see a scenario similar, 2000 acres at $50K total spread over 8 spots, effectively being $25 per acre. In this scenario, I would not agree to doing it if it was just a dedicated 250 acres per gun of the full 2000 acres, that would not appeal to me. Would need to be "open" stands on the full 2000 acres. We have 5 paid hunters on 16k acres. Five stands, you only hunt your own stand unless you have permission to hunt someone elses spot. The rest of the lease where there are no stands is open to all. I wouldn't have it any other way. Also, no guests. Wives and kids only, one game limit per paid hunter. We don't need guests, we like each other enough and are great hunting partners to one another. So when I say $6000.00, it's something like this.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: DQ Kid]
#8803890
02/18/23 04:08 PM
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Joined: Jul 2013
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tlk
THF Trophy Hunter
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[quote=onlysmith&wesson][quote=DQ Kid]Ok, do either a per acre $$$$ or total spot cost for your avg. to above average lease, not mega lease please.... $6000.00 for the right place. I paid less than 1/2 that on my previous lease and felt like it wasn't worth it. Too many hunters, too many guests, etc. The lease I'm fortunate to have now, worth every penny. We have 5 paid hunters on 16k acres. Five stands, you only hunt your own stand unless you have permission to hunt someone elses spot. The rest of the lease where there are no stands is open to all. I wouldn't have it any other way. Also, no guests. Wives and kids only, one game limit per paid hunter. We don't need guests, we like each other enough and are great hunting partners to one another. So when I say $6000.00, it's something like this. We allow either direct family or one guest but not both at the same time - most weekends we only have half or less of our total hunters so it does not get crowded - also any family or guest must sit with the paid hunter and can never be out on the ranch unless the paid hunter is with them. We have community blinds with first come first serve - that way we can all hunt the entire ranch - our LO keeps our protein, corn, and cottonseed feeders filled so there is no reason for us to have designated stands - overall this whole set up has worked well for the past 15 years -
You can't fix stupid
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Re: Pain $$$$$ Threshold Tolerance
[Re: tlk]
#8803897
02/18/23 04:13 PM
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Joined: Jul 2014
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onlysmith&wesson
THF Trophy Hunter
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[quote=onlysmith&wesson][quote=DQ Kid]Ok, do either a per acre $$$$ or total spot cost for your avg. to above average lease, not mega lease please.... $6000.00 for the right place. I paid less than 1/2 that on my previous lease and felt like it wasn't worth it. Too many hunters, too many guests, etc. The lease I'm fortunate to have now, worth every penny. We have 5 paid hunters on 16k acres. Five stands, you only hunt your own stand unless you have permission to hunt someone elses spot. The rest of the lease where there are no stands is open to all. I wouldn't have it any other way. Also, no guests. Wives and kids only, one game limit per paid hunter. We don't need guests, we like each other enough and are great hunting partners to one another. So when I say $6000.00, it's something like this. We allow either direct family or one guest but not both at the same time - most weekends we only have half or less of our total hunters so it does not get crowded - also any family or guest must sit with the paid hunter and can never be out on the ranch unless the paid hunter is with them. We have community blinds with first come first serve - that way we can all hunt the entire ranch - our LO keeps our protein, corn, and cottonseed feeders filled so there is no reason for us to have designated stands - overall this whole set up has worked well for the past 15 years - That's what it's all about, having something that works for you.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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