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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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02/08/23 02:24 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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@txtrophy85, you’re absolutely right. I have zero experience shooting a captive animal. last HF I hunted was 14k pasture of 21k acres HF …. that was 17 years ago. Was harder then any of my leases, same tactics though. Exception, not the rule. I ain’t hating it. I was asked, I answered. I’m not trying to convince anyone that my way is for them, but for some reason hf hunters are always in defense of how they go about killing their deer.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/08/23 02:28 AM
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txtrophy85
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@txtrophy85, you’re absolutely right. I have zero experience shooting a captive animal. Hunting a whitetail deer behind a high fence isn’t any less sporting than hunting a low fence place everything else being equal. Now if you’re comparing a mediocre low fence place to an upper echelon high fence ranch, then sure, there will be a notable difference in both quantity and quality of animals. I’ve hunted some of the best low fence country in the state, as well as some of the best high fence country and there really isn’t that much difference between the two honestly. And I’m not in defense about how I kill anything, I’ve killed bear, antelope, elk and deer on public land out west. Y’all wanna start comparing hunting methods I’m game all day long. I just want people to form opinions based on facts and logic and not “feelings”
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: txtrophy85]
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02/08/23 02:34 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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@txtrophy85, you’re absolutely right. I have zero experience shooting a captive animal. Hunting a whitetail deer behind a high fence isn’t any less sporting than hunting a low fence place everything else being equal. Now if you’re comparing a mediocre low fence place to an upper echelon high fence ranch, then sure, there will be a notable difference in both quantity and quality of animals. I’ve hunted some of the best low fence country in the state, as well as some of the best high fence country and there really isn’t that much difference between the two honestly. And I’m not in defense about how I kill anything, I’ve killed bear, antelope, elk and deer on public land out west. Y’all wanna start comparing hunting methods I’m game all day long. I just want people to form opinions based on facts and logic and not “feelings” You’re in sales, right?
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 02:35 AM
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txtrophy85
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For the last 17 years, yes I’ve been in sales
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: txtrophy85]
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02/08/23 02:50 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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For the last 17 years, yes I’ve been in sales You’re in the right profession. You’re very good at deflecting from the obvious fallacy by stating your opinion as fact. The fact is that hf animals are captive and not free to act on their instincts and determine their own range. You can tell yourself all day long there isn’t much difference in hf/lf, but I disagree. I think the two of us trying to convince the other to agree is like me trying to convince a democrat to agree with me.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/08/23 02:57 AM
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txtrophy85
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For the last 17 years, yes I’ve been in sales You’re in the right profession. You’re very good at deflecting from the obvious fallacy by stating your opinion as fact. The fact is that hf animals are captive and not free to act on their instincts and determine their own range. You can tell yourself all day long there isn’t much difference in hf/lf, but I disagree. I think the two of us trying to convince the other to agree is like me trying to convince a democrat to agree with me. Now, the argument about being captive was never brought up. I will agree that the hoofed animals behind a high fence are in large part captive to the enclosure, however big that may be. No denying that. It can also have an effect of their range compared to non fenced animals. Agree with that as well. But in terms of sporting quality or “ fairness” , I’ve found very little difference between high fence and low fence when everything else is equal. There are exceptions to every rule however and there are put and take properties where it is like shooting the proverbial fish in a barrel. I don’t currently hunt a high fence property and don’t want every acre in Texas to be behind a fence, but in the sprint of fairness I can’t paint all high fence ranch as slaughterhouses because that isn’t the case.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: txtrophy85]
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02/08/23 03:07 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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For the last 17 years, yes I’ve been in sales You’re in the right profession. You’re very good at deflecting from the obvious fallacy by stating your opinion as fact. The fact is that hf animals are captive and not free to act on their instincts and determine their own range. You can tell yourself all day long there isn’t much difference in hf/lf, but I disagree. I think the two of us trying to convince the other to agree is like me trying to convince a democrat to agree with me. Now, the argument about being captive was never brought up. I will agree that the hoofed animals behind a high fence are in large part captive to the enclosure, however big that may be. No denying that. It can also have an effect of their range compared to non fenced animals. Agree with that as well. But in terms of sporting quality or “ fairness” , I’ve found very little difference between high fence and low fence when everything else is equal. There are exceptions to every rule however and there are put and take properties where it is like shooting the proverbial fish in a barrel. I don’t currently hunt a high fence property and don’t want every acre in Texas to be behind a fence, but in the sprint of fairness I can’t paint all high fence ranch as slaughterhouses because that isn’t the case. Being captive not brought up? Isn’t that the whole purpose of the high fence? If I have to explain that I know I’m waisting my time.
Last edited by onlysmith&wesson; 02/08/23 03:09 AM.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 03:07 AM
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redchevy
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Man we haven’t done one of these in too long lol
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 03:09 AM
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txtrophy85
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Purpose of the high fence is the be able to implement better management, at least in Texas.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: redchevy]
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02/08/23 03:10 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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Man we haven’t done one of these in too long lol Beats the discussion on how to piss while deer hunting.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/08/23 03:10 AM
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txtrophy85
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Man we haven’t done one of these in too long lol Beats the discussion on how to piss while deer hunting. Lmao. We can all agree on that !
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/08/23 03:12 AM
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kwrhuntinglab
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I would support it.
Although high fence hunting tactics in Texas are not much different than low fence hunting tactics in Texas
Reason #47, I won’t go to the thread and have to read ridiculous statements like this. Curious as to why you feel that way. It is my opinion that in the majority of hf kills there are no tactics beyond selecting the buck you shoot. LF tactics, that’s pages. To state there is not much difference in the tactics is in my opinion, ridiculous. If there was a page/thread, I wouldn’t read it since to me there would be no relevance to hunting. You haven’t hunted too many high fence places I am assuming. I have hunted low and high. Even on low it’s like selecting your buck a lot of times when you are using food plots or feeders. I have hunted high fence places and not seen an animal the whole time. Depends on the acorns, green grass just like low fence. But each person has their opinion and I respect it.
Time is not wasted if you spend it with the ones you love.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: txtrophy85]
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02/08/23 03:14 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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Purpose of the high fence is the be able to implement better management, at least in Texas. And easier to kill while captive.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 03:16 AM
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redchevy
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The hf and low fence places I’ve hunted were hunter the same way, same tactics
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 03:18 AM
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redchevy
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Onlysmith&wesson, it would be nice if you could use the quote function correctly.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 03:24 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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I hope this is not a defining moment for this forum. A moderator, 20 year member with over 10,000 posts is telling me that selecting a buck on a low fence is no different than on a high fence. I’d expect a moderator to have more respect for our hunting heritage than try and sell that con.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: redchevy]
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02/08/23 03:25 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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Onlysmith&wesson, it would be nice if you could use the quote function correctly. Point taken. I’m on a tablet.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/08/23 03:26 AM
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txtrophy85
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I hope this is not a defining moment for this forum. A moderator, 20 year member with over 10,000 posts is telling me that selecting a buck on a low fence is no different than on a high fence. I’d expect a moderator to have more respect for our hunting heritage than try and sell that con. So what is your experience with high fence properties? Have you ever been on one? Hunted on one? Or are all your opinions based on assumptions?
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/08/23 03:30 AM
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redchevy
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I hope this is not a defining moment for this forum. A moderator, 20 year member with over 10,000 posts is telling me that selecting a buck on a low fence is no different than on a high fence. I’d expect a moderator to have more respect for our hunting heritage than try and sell that con. Go ahead show us the difference?
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: txtrophy85]
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02/08/23 03:34 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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I hope this is not a defining moment for this forum. A moderator, 20 year member with over 10,000 posts is telling me that selecting a buck on a low fence is no different than on a high fence. I’d expect a moderator to have more respect for our hunting heritage than try and sell that con. So what is your experience with high fence properties? Have you ever been on one? Hunted on one? Or are all your opinions based on assumptions? Zero, no and no. My assumption is that the fence is effective, and the deer are captive behind it. Also, the business model that I see advertised confirms my belief. Trophy fees, pictures of the deer you can shoot and the prices……just doesn’t appeal to me. It’s ok for those that want that type of experience, but if you post a pic with a trophy deer, and fail to mention that your shot it captive behind a high fence, don’t get butt hurt when a hunter asks you if it was hf/lf. Just proudly answer.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 03:36 AM
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redchevy
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Yes because people don’t sell hunts on low fence places.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: redchevy]
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02/08/23 03:37 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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I hope this is not a defining moment for this forum. A moderator, 20 year member with over 10,000 posts is telling me that selecting a buck on a low fence is no different than on a high fence. I’d expect a moderator to have more respect for our hunting heritage than try and sell that con. Go ahead show us the difference? See my post history. I got nothing to prove, or hide.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/08/23 03:39 AM
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I keep trying to go to bed but keep coming back to this thread. Can we put an over/under on how many more posts will be added by when I wake up tomorrow? I’ll set it at 17.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
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02/08/23 03:42 AM
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onlysmith&wesson
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I keep trying to go to bed but keep coming back to this thread. Can we put an over/under on how many more posts will be added by when I wake up tomorrow? I’ll set it at 17. It won’t be me. I’m out as well. Big day tomorrow. Until then, good night John Boy.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: Has THF Ever Considered a
[Re: txtrophy85]
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02/08/23 03:43 AM
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Purpose of the high fence is the be able to implement better management, at least in Texas.
Are you saying management on LF isn't as generally effective?
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