Solvent trap……inexpensive gamble to keep in it’s package, unopened, waiting for the laws to change and may get you a “look see” visit from the ATF if bought online or via credit card.

Stainless is easily run on CNC machines to very tight TIR specs. There are not many shops out there anymore that run engine lathes but even then a good man on an engine lathe could build a fine suppressor. In fact generally if a machine shop has a engine lathe it is mostly used to turn stock to the OD and overall length desired to run in a CNC.

The best shooting rifles out there are from an engine lathe, and a man that knows what he's doing. Dual indicating to .0000" off the bore, and attention to every detail after that.

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Those kind of machinists are getting harder and harder to find. Getting old, eyes going bad. Even people able to stand on their feet and program a CNC are not all over the place, programs build programs now in a lot of shops. I ran lathes all my life ending up as a programmer for CNC's. To tell the truth it takes a machinist to properly run CNC machines also. We are not in a good place. The young or a lot of them are clueless, have a hard time even with a steel tape much less a caliper or even worse a micrometer. I know two shops that closed last year that had plenty of work making parts for Bell Helicopter because they couldn't find people to run their machines. not everyone is a +or- .0003 machinist. CNC or not.

I will give you some good news.

My son is in gunsmithing school right now. 25 years old. And he's got me to show him the calipers, micrometers, lathe and mill I inherited from my Grandad. Today he said their final project is going to be building a rifle for themselves. I asked if he's going to use a 4 or 6 jaw, dual indicate to .0000" and an outboard spider. He said yes, that is what they will be doing.

Glad to hear it. I hope Biden doesn't crash the country first.

I have a full titanium with SS blast baffle solvent trap I form 1’d it works ok but it’s also 1.5” OD and 5” long so very small. It does suppress but it’s barely hearing safe on a 10.5” SBR 556. I bored it out so I can shoot up to 30cal out of it so I’ll try it on my new micro 300 build which is a 5.5” barrel see if it’s any quieter.

Asking a lot for a small suppressor to quiet a 10.5 inch 223.

I agree my big 8.5”x1.625” 30 cal Phantom doesn’t make it very quiet either.

A 223 in anything shorter than 18 inches is going to be loud, a 16 inch barreled AR with a bird cage muzzle device is louder than I want to listen to much. A 10.5 inch barreled 223 is the devil!

Hello all, i will agree to that! I just got a PSA .223 upper on a 10.5 barrel, from a web special they had couple weeks ago,
great little shooter, but my sound meter goes off the table when trying to record the actuall noise level.
Perfect compact toy trying to out of truck, chasing pigs at night, have a holosun green dot, ideal and very handy!

Im pleased, now trying to find a better recipe on a lower velocity round to use.


shoot safe....

The .223 round isn't going to work as well if you load for lower velocity. And it's not going to be any quieter either. You can put a can on it and make it "better" but shooting supersonic through a can still has the report of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. It's definitely easier on the ears though.

Some companies claim that they have sub's that will cycle in an AR but the energy of the bullet is in the 245 ft/lb range at relatively close distances. Personally, I wouldn't want to get hit by a .223 round that still had that much energy but hogs are tough.

The real problem with lowering velocity is going to come from how your AR operates. If you want to shoot supersonic and subsonic you'll need an adjustable gas block OR build an upper for each. I'm not an AR expert. I've built a few of various calibers and I've come to realize that the AR needs "things" to be right for it to cycle reliably. I don't reload for my AR's the same as I do my bolt guns. It's a different animal.

I've got a .300 BLK in bolt and AR. I haven't spent much time with the AR but the bolt gun is pretty quiet with a can on it. Neither is a long range gun but both will do a good job on hogs at 50 yards. Not too bad at 100 either.

This guy Did a whole series on building an AR lower a few years ago. It's been long enough that I don't recall if he built the upper too. I remember him saying that he built and registered two. Joe is in Austin, TX. He uses a manual mill and lathe and a CNC in his shop. His company builds some kind of high precision medical devices. The man can single point thread a #2 screw. He's not the only machinist on YT that uses a manual mill and cnc mill, just one that I tend to watch when he puts out a new video.

Mike, with Dead Air, was at Lethal Weapons Texas. I asked him if he thought suppressors would ever be "released from prison". Both he and the guy working the table with him both very quickly said no. I didn't bring up the "common use test" but I wonder if that could be used to get can's out of atf prison. My Sandman-L and Mask took 9 months for approval. I was so used to being irritated with the wait time I bought another Sandman-L, a Primal, and a Ghost just so I could hold on to the irritation a bit longer. I kind of want another Mask but I'd have to buy another .22 pistol with a threaded barrel...

The NFA needs to come down. It was passed on lie and the authority that Congress passed it under was under their taxation authority and there have been multiple Supreme Court ruling since then that a tax can not be applied to a constitutional right. Even when they discussed the legislation they made it explicitly clear that the second amendment was an individual right and that they were not treading on it but instead they were only exercising their taxation authority.

I was able to machine on a journal of a 20 million dollar a generator rotor on a lathe that we built just todo turbine/generator machining. My tolerance was +/- .oo1 I believe that I could easily make a suppressor in our Cincinnati American lathe.