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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/17/22 07:07 PM
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syncerus
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I just crimp as a separate step. It takes a little more time, but there’s no ambiguity and I feel the effort is worth it for hunting ammunition.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: syncerus]
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12/17/22 08:11 PM
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I just crimp as a separate step. It takes a little more time, but there’s no ambiguity and I feel the effort is worth it for hunting ammunition. Separate steps is definitely the way to do it. I don't crimp bullets in rifle cartridges, but I either roll crimp or taper crimp all handgun cartridges. I buy an extra seating die and set it up to crimp only as the last step for all of them.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Big Sam]
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12/17/22 08:20 PM
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CajunHam’R
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Cajun.... That certainly is a head scratcher. I don't load SST's in my Ham'r but have loaded many hundreds of 125, 130 and 150gr btsp up to full pressure.
Sorry for the dumb questions below...
Unlike BW I have never expanded cases but ALWAYS chamfer though if Bill does it, it's probably a good idea. Do you vibrate the powder before putting the bullet in the case?Did not vibrate, I do use a drop tube and add powder slowly as to let the load settle Are the case length and shoulders within OEM spec?Case shoulders are to spec. I use the Wilson 300 HAM'R case gauge on every case Starline cases are very tough and the second firing has never been an issue. They do have slightly less capacity than the Sig cases. NBD. I don't see signs of a "lee factory crimp" but is the case otherwise crimped?I use the Lee FCD on all my auto loaders as well. I didn't reach that step on this batch of ladder loads. I stop when they started to bulge.
Though it looks like the powder may be pushing the case out sideways, I've never seen it do that. The powder usually pushes the bullet back out of the case a few thousandths. And finally... chamber gauges are worth their weight in gold. @WilsonCombat, I did chamfer and deburr every case in this batch. I usually don't but I see that it may be a good practice. @RiverRider and Tx Pig Killer, I think there lies the issue. Lee's die instructions state that "THIS DIE DOES NOT CRIMP". The instructions say to screw it in til contact with the ram and go an additional 1/4 turn. I'm used to RCBS dies so that's all I had to go off of. I'm going to try backing out the die and go from there. What still perplexes me is that if the case were contacting the seating die, I would have issues with my 130-135 loads doing the same thing. They are GTG. I'll give it a try. Thank you all for the response!! I keep you posted.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/17/22 08:53 PM
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CajunHam’R
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Well, I backed the die out one full turn from contact with the raised ram annndd......... same thing is happening . I even put some extra chamfer on it. No dice. The expander/decapper measures 0.307" OD and sized case mouths are at 0.306" ID. I've been wanting a reason to order some RCBS dies. This may be that reason. When this happened with the BTSP, I proceeded to anneal to see if that was causing my issue. No change in annealed vs non-annealed.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/17/22 09:10 PM
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Hhmmm.
I'll confess that I've never loaded this cartridge, but I doubt that it's any different from many others. Based on some earlier statements I'd say you're compressing your powder charge...and different things can happen when you try to compress the charge too much. I've seen an example of a case that bulged dramatically just below the shoulder as a result of compressing the charge too much. Maybe that's what's happening to you. It would be easy enough to size a case and skip priming and charging, and seat a bullet to see what happens. I think you'd know it's the compressed charge if seating a bullet in an empty case works without a hitch.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: RiverRider]
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12/17/22 09:24 PM
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CajunHam’R
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Hhmmm.
I'll confess that I've never loaded this cartridge, but I doubt that it's any different from many others. Based on some earlier statements I'd say you're compressing your powder charge...and different things can happen when you try to compress the charge too much. I've seen an example of a case that bulged dramatically just below the shoulder as a result of compressing the charge too much. Maybe that's what's happening to you. It would be easy enough to size a case and skip priming and charging, and seat a bullet to see what happens. I think you'd know it's the compressed charge if seating a bullet in an empty case works without a hitch. Yeah, she's definitely compressed. I just grabbed some virgin cases, sized, deburred/chamfered, primed, and charged with the same as before (25.8gn CFEBLK). After seating the 150 SST, same as before, all 5 cases are GTG. Seems the cases are thinning or softening with those previous firings. Now I know to use fresh brass for the 150's. Hopefully they shoot.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/17/22 09:34 PM
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That's odd. The brass would not soften with use, it would harden if anything. You indicated once-fired Starline, if I understood correctly.
Maybe someone else can solve the puzzle...I'm at a loss.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: RiverRider]
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12/17/22 09:38 PM
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CajunHam’R
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That's odd. The brass would not soften with use, it would harden if anything. You indicated once-fired Starline, if I understood correctly.
Maybe someone else can solve the puzzle...I'm at a loss. Bulging cases were twice fired Starline. I will admit, the 2 times these were fired, they were at max weight. Primer pockets felt OK(good tension) and no obvious pressure signs after those firings.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/18/22 02:03 AM
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Run 24.0 grains and quit worrying about it.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/18/22 08:13 AM
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Loaded up 20 rounds of 130gr speer hot core and CFE BLKOut for a ladder test tomorrow. Going on doe patrol Monday and Tuesday.
What is everyone getting for 100 yard groups in your HAM’R?
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Wilson Combat]
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12/18/22 04:57 PM
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I just finished reviewing a YTD report of AR barrel sales for production planning purposes. WOW, what a bunch of surprises.... We've sold over 12k barrels YTD .308 Win barrels are our best sellers .300 Blackout is #2 .224 Valkyrie is in the top 10 ??? We sell a LOT of 11.3" barrels The 18" fluted Tac Hunter HAM'R 1-13 is the best selling HAM'R barrel Overall 1-13 sells the best in spite of overall the 1-15 shooting the best ??? My "personal" favorite HAM'R barrel (Ranger 1-15) is near the bottom That's a lot of barrels, jeesh.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Liberty Arsenal LLC]
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12/18/22 05:01 PM
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Does anyone have any load data for 338 Federal? I do somewhere. Will have to look. And it's a one hole load from the WC barrel.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: CajunHam’R]
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12/18/22 05:07 PM
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That's odd. The brass would not soften with use, it would harden if anything. You indicated once-fired Starline, if I understood correctly.
Maybe someone else can solve the puzzle...I'm at a loss. Bulging cases were twice fired Starline. I will admit, the 2 times these were fired, they were at max weight. Primer pockets felt OK(good tension) and no obvious pressure signs after those firings. And you're full length resizing correct? And felt tension when resizing, are they easy to resize?
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Huntinherrington]
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12/18/22 07:35 PM
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Loaded up 20 rounds of 130gr speer hot core and CFE BLKOut for a ladder test tomorrow. Going on doe patrol Monday and Tuesday.
What is everyone getting for 100 yard groups in your HAM’R? after getting the 18" Ham'r barrel and breaking it in I did a series of 100 yard tests. The 150gr HC btsp bullet was always more accurate so all future work was with that bullet. So my testing with the 130gr HC is NOT definitive. However, I got 1.25" 100 yard groups with some reloads. The 150 gr never ran over an inch. I have a new 150gr load to be tested after Christmas and there are some indications it is the most accurate. TBD. I plan to go back to the 130gr and spend more time developing it. Good hunting!
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Big Sam]
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12/18/22 08:52 PM
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Loaded up 20 rounds of 130gr speer hot core and CFE BLKOut for a ladder test tomorrow. Going on doe patrol Monday and Tuesday.
What is everyone getting for 100 yard groups in your HAM’R? after getting the 18" Ham'r barrel and breaking it in I did a series of 100 yard tests. The 150gr HC btsp bullet was always more accurate so all future work was with that bullet. So my testing with the 130gr HC is NOT definitive. However, I got 1.25" 100 yard groups with some reloads. The 150 gr never ran over an inch. I have a new 150gr load to be tested after Christmas and there are some indications it is the most accurate. TBD. I plan to go back to the 130gr and spend more time developing it. Good hunting! I have 3 300 Ham'rs. Wife and I have the Ruger/WC conversion and I have a WC AR 15 18" barrel. All 3 will shoot 1 inch groups consistently or better with the Speer 130 HC. Sometimes the nut (this nut) behind the trigger will pull a shot.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: DavidK]
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12/18/22 09:01 PM
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That's odd. The brass would not soften with use, it would harden if anything. You indicated once-fired Starline, if I understood correctly.
Maybe someone else can solve the puzzle...I'm at a loss. Bulging cases were twice fired Starline. I will admit, the 2 times these were fired, they were at max weight. Primer pockets felt OK(good tension) and no obvious pressure signs after those firings. And you're full length resizing correct? And felt tension when resizing, are they easy to resize? Yep, FL sizing with the Lee set from WC. Force required feels normal using Imperial sizing wax. I have a set of RCBS on order from WC. I do prefer the way RCBS's decapper can be removed. Plus my OCD acts up each time I open the cabinet and there's that one red case in with the other green ones. To clarify, I don’t believe anything is wrong with the Lee set, I’m just using this opportunity to get a green box.
Last edited by CajunHam’R; 12/18/22 09:16 PM. Reason: Disclaimer
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: DLALLDER]
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12/18/22 10:30 PM
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Loaded up 20 rounds of 130gr speer hot core and CFE BLKOut for a ladder test tomorrow. Going on doe patrol Monday and Tuesday.
What is everyone getting for 100 yard groups in your HAM’R? after getting the 18" Ham'r barrel and breaking it in I did a series of 100 yard tests. The 150gr HC btsp bullet was always more accurate so all future work was with that bullet. So my testing with the 130gr HC is NOT definitive. However, I got 1.25" 100 yard groups with some reloads. The 150 gr never ran over an inch. I have a new 150gr load to be tested after Christmas and there are some indications it is the most accurate. TBD. I plan to go back to the 130gr and spend more time developing it. Good hunting! I have 3 300 Ham'rs. Wife and I have the Ruger/WC conversion and I have a WC AR 15 18" barrel. All 3 will shoot 1 inch groups consistently or better with the Speer 130 HC. Sometimes the nut (this nut) behind the trigger will pull a shot. Hmmm.... I just read your post and thought, "is he calling me the nut behind the trigger"? After giving it some thought I have decided that is an excellent description of me.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: CajunHam’R]
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12/18/22 11:59 PM
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That's odd. The brass would not soften with use, it would harden if anything. You indicated once-fired Starline, if I understood correctly.
Maybe someone else can solve the puzzle...I'm at a loss. Bulging cases were twice fired Starline. I will admit, the 2 times these were fired, they were at max weight. Primer pockets felt OK(good tension) and no obvious pressure signs after those firings. And you're full length resizing correct? And felt tension when resizing, are they easy to resize? Yep, FL sizing with the Lee set from WC. Force required feels normal using Imperial sizing wax. I have a set of RCBS on order from WC. I do prefer the way RCBS's decapper can be removed. Plus my OCD acts up each time I open the cabinet and there's that one red case in with the other green ones. To clarify, I don’t believe anything is wrong with the Lee set, I’m just using this opportunity to get a green box. Hmmm, yeah I use the Lee dies also because that's what I had from the beginning development. However I rarely use 150's and the times I did was new brass. To me it seems that the seating die is pushing the case down. Even though you say it's not a crimping die, I would back it off one full turn and try again and adjust the seating depth as necessary.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/19/22 03:29 AM
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What I had to do was use the bullet seater out of my 300 BO. It fit my bullets a lot better and centered the bullets better
some people like silver and gold I like brass and lead with a little powder in between
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/20/22 03:14 AM
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It shouldn't be that hard to set the seating die so it doesn't do a crimp. Just run a case all the way up and screw the die in until you feel it hit the case mouth then back it out a half turn or so. If it's too close to doing a crimp it's important to trim all the cases to the same length...or you could just back the die out a full turn if you don't trim every time.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Huntinherrington]
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12/20/22 03:29 AM
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Loaded up 20 rounds of 130gr speer hot core and CFE BLKOut for a ladder test tomorrow. Going on doe patrol Monday and Tuesday.
What is everyone getting for 100 yard groups in your HAM’R? Depends on the bullet but after my barrel was broke in I've never got anything over an inch with the best hand loads and with my favorite load of the Speer 2022 150gr it's usually under half an inch unless the wind is gusting or I'm having a "shaky" day. For full disclosure I have to admit I'm OCD about cleaning between test groups and even with my "broken in" barrel I normally clean every 5 rounds when shooting for group size.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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12/20/22 01:26 PM
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Wanted to share a picture of my daughter and her hog from yesterday. She shot it with my 300 Ham’r through both shoulders. DRT. The night before she shot through a sow as big as this pig and killed another behind it. Clean pass throughs. Incredibly satisfying round.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: tdbduckhunter]
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12/20/22 02:54 PM
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Wanted to share a picture of my daughter and her hog from yesterday. She shot it with my 300 Ham’r through both shoulders. DRT. The night before she shot through a sow as big as this pig and killed another behind it. Clean pass throughs. Incredibly satisfying round.
Nice! Could you share what bullet you're using?
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: TxPigKiller]
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12/20/22 03:18 PM
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... What is everyone getting for 100 yard groups in your HAM’R? group sizes vary, but this is about average
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