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Re: Davis Mountains whitetails. [Re: Sneaky] #9092739 08/16/24 01:33 PM
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I would have to say that they are a sub species of regular whitetail breeding with Carmen whitetails or Coues deer. I have hunted south of Alpine and there are a lot more whitetails than you would think, or at least there used to be. We used to run across a whitetail of 2 that we would rather shoot than a mule deer. Lots of chances for cross breeding in that area and it does happen.


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Re: Davis Mountains whitetails. [Re: Texas452] #9092938 08/16/24 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas452
When we lived in West Texas when I was a boy in around 1970, the old timers use to tell us about white tailed deer that lived in the mountains.
They called them fan tailed deer?


My grandad and great grandad, who both primarily ranched on the Edwards Plateau but also both spent time ranching around Big Bend (Alpine for one and Marathon for the other) talked about smaller whitetails in the Davis Mountains and always called them fan tailed deer.

Re: Davis Mountains whitetails. [Re: Sneaky] #9093759 08/18/24 12:39 PM
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These deer were photographed on the same day in the Ft Davis Mountains within miles of each other. There were these small grayish deer with relatively large ears and long tails that look like Coues deer I photographed in Huachuxa Mountains and Chiricahua Mountains. Along other stretches of the highway near the cottonwood bottom lands I saw the larger, longer legged golden brown Texas whitetail deer. Two distinct types of whitetail deer. They socialize separately. Then there were the desert mule deer. I think it may be possible for at least two of the Southwestern United States whitetail subspecies to converge at the Davis Mountains. The larger deer looked like ones I have seen and photographed in the Sacramento Mountains of New Mexico near Cloud croft.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky
I know we’ve discussed this briefly, in the past, but I don’t recall a definitive conclusion. For the second time, I have driven through the Davis Mountains, and for the second time I have seen whitetails. This time, it was a bachelor group of three bucks. Two were freshly out of velvet and nice bucks for their size. They are clearly some sort of subspecies, whether classified that way or not. They look just like Coues whitetails, to me. I’m also aware that we are home to the Carmen Mountain subspecies, which is similar. As I recall, neither is likely to be what they are. I don’t even think we have Coues, here. But, I don’t know, and I’d love to. Anyone aware of the official status of these little gray deer?

None of these pictures are great. The little bastards won’t sit still for a photo op. First one was up close and a yearling buck, taken a few years ago. The rest are two good bucks and a younger one, from yesterday.

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Re: Davis Mountains whitetails. [Re: Sneaky] #9094036 08/18/24 09:27 PM
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Re: Davis Mountains whitetails. [Re: Sneaky] #9095017 08/20/24 06:01 PM
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From what you've described, the deer you've seen might be part of a subspecies or population that resembles Coues whitetails. While the Coues whitetail is typically found in southeastern Arizona, southwestern New Mexico, and northern Mexico, it's not impossible for there to be some similarities or even unexpected sightings in other areas.In Texas, the Carmen Mountain subspecies of whitetail is known to have some characteristics similar to Coues whitetails, such as smaller size and a grayish coat. Given your description of the deer and their appearance, it’s possible that the whitetails you’re seeing could indeed be Carmen Mountain whitetails or a population with similar traits.

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