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Indian scrappers?
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12/29/21 02:53 PM
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Are the 2 on the left fleshers-scrappers-knives? The piece on the right a start to making a point? The coin is a quarter for reference.
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/29/21 03:07 PM
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They all look like preforms to me. They would make these and later on decide what type of point or tool they would need and finish knapping them, I do the same thing on the ranch. Instead of hauling back a truck load of chert I'll make preforms and then finish them when i have time. Scrapers are usually only knapped on one side and many times only one edge, used to remove the tough inner layer on hides.
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/29/21 03:08 PM
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The one on the left is for sure. I have one that is the twin to that one, and was at a Pow Wow with it and was told thats what it is.
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12/29/21 03:31 PM
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/29/21 07:52 PM
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Best way to tell between scraper and preform is how it fits in your hand, if it fits comfortable it’s more than likely a scraper or crude knife, IMO
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/29/21 08:29 PM
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Looks like the 2 bigger pieces are preforms, and the other is a completed piece with a snapped base.
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/29/21 08:36 PM
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Very interesting don nice find
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12/29/21 08:48 PM
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Here's one I found in Telegraph last year..
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/29/21 09:07 PM
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I can find lots of these on the new place, but have yet to find something with any futher work or notches.
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12/29/21 10:52 PM
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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Best way to tell between scraper and preform is how it fits in your hand, if it fits comfortable it’s more than likely a scraper or crude knife, IMO Both of the flints on the left are very comfortable holding for a right handed person. There is an indentation for your thumb.
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/30/21 12:39 AM
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Best way to tell between scraper and preform is how it fits in your hand, if it fits comfortable it’s more than likely a scraper or crude knife, IMO When I first found it I thought it was just a broken rock but the guy I was with told me it was a hide scraper . Once he showed me how to hold it , it fit my hand perfectly and was very comfortable. It’s amazing how they made it to be so user friendly.
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/30/21 12:53 AM
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Very cool Don! Great find sir
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/30/21 01:25 AM
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Don I apologize. I didn’t mean to hijack your thread . Those are nice finds .
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/30/21 01:43 AM
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Best way to tell between scraper and preform is how it fits in your hand, if it fits comfortable it’s more than likely a scraper or crude knife, IMO Both of the flints on the left are very comfortable holding for a right handed person. There is an indentation for your thumb. Yes, Unfortunately, 'hand fit' isn't going to be a very good diagnostic tool by itself for identifying a lithic find. Scapers vs. Preform/Biface can be easy or difficult to determine depending on how far along the piece was reduced, its shape and other factors. Without seeing the opposite side of each and a side profile (showing the edge and thickness) it is impossible to say one way or the other, but if forced to make a guess I'd say all three are preforms. Typically preforms for points (not blades with a longer 3 to 1 ratio) will be roughly ovoid in shape. Scrappers can be literally anything depending on need. A preform/biface (biface worked both sides) is simply a 'rough' reduction of the piece that will be further worked into the desired item. For instance a preform for a Snyders Point....might look like this:
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/30/21 04:21 AM
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Very interesting info. Thank y’all.
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12/30/21 08:09 AM
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Very interesting info. Thank y’all.
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12/30/21 02:41 PM
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They all look like preforms to me. They would make these and later on decide what type of point or tool they would need and finish knapping them, I do the same thing on the ranch. Instead of hauling back a truck load of chert I'll make preforms and then finish them when i have time. Scrapers are usually only knapped on one side and many times only one edge, used to remove the tough inner layer on hides.
I agree with whatever Mike has to say about chert, knapping, Indians as he's the best I have ever seen. Mike does everything well except "hear". Adios, Gary
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12/30/21 05:01 PM
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/30/21 05:06 PM
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I have a few arrowheads but the scraper in new to me.
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12/30/21 06:02 PM
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There was a knappin? when I was in Brady in October and I went by there to see what it was like. It was really interesting and there were lots if interesting things to look at.
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Re: Indian scrappers?
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12/31/21 12:14 AM
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There was a knappin? when I was in Brady in October and I went by there to see what it was like. It was really interesting and there were lots if interesting things to look at. If you want to learn flintknapping....then a Knap-In is a good place to start. Having someone experienced teach you the 'basics' is invaluable. These days there are all kinds of publications, videos, etc....to help. But a good teacher will get started much faster. 30 years ago when I started there was not too much out there to learn from (that was readily available). Fortunately, a friend of mine had spent a few years learning from Craig Ratzat and he in turn...helped me get started.
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