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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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11/24/21 10:13 PM
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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11/24/21 10:16 PM
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Geeze...nothing but deer, racoons, and armadillos came by the feeder. Guess my neighbor has been gunning on the pigs again. Do any of you use two guns when you hunt - like maybe a .17 for the small stuff and the Ham'r for pigs? I'm not really being frugal it's just components are so hard to come by that I'd rather not waste a 30 cal bullet on a coon.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/24/21 10:23 PM
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Fwiw the Speer #2023 at max load was showing pressure signs at the primer at max load. When I backed down to where I wasn’t getting flattened primers I was 100fps slower than the #2022 150gr.
It’s been close to a year but I recall the #2023 minimum expansion velocity was 1800 or 1900fps and the #2022 was a couple hundred FPS lower.
#2022 was coming apart in the near side shoulder at 2300 +- fps, making large entry w pounds in the chest wall and not getting great penetration & exiting the far side chest wall even at 100yds & in. I had a few sheared bases exit but it was rare outside of neck or belly hit. Frankly it was the most underwhelming projectile I have used at near max velocity in a HAM’R & #2023 is behind it on paper.
I’m pretty sure I hit some pigs with the remaining test rounds of #2023 loads but it wasn’t something I tracked. the lower muzzle velocities I was getting made it something around a 125yd and closer round to maintain expansion velocity. If you’re hunting big pigs close #2023 may be a decent choice but I’d expect it to act a lot like fmj past 100yds.
My unsolicited $0.02 Good to know...I'll maybe look elsewhere for a 150gr round. Not really stuck on that but it's kinda a nostalgia thing as the first deer I ever took was with my grandpas 30-30 using 150gr bullets. FWI most of my shots are under 100yds. Thanks!
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: TxPigKiller]
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11/24/21 10:47 PM
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Fwiw the Speer #2023 at max load was showing pressure signs at the primer at max load. When I backed down to where I wasn’t getting flattened primers I was 100fps slower than the #2022 150gr.
It’s been close to a year but I recall the #2023 minimum expansion velocity was 1800 or 1900fps and the #2022 was a couple hundred FPS lower.
#2022 was coming apart in the near side shoulder at 2300 +- fps, making large entry w pounds in the chest wall and not getting great penetration & exiting the far side chest wall even at 100yds & in. I had a few sheared bases exit but it was rare outside of neck or belly hit. Frankly it was the most underwhelming projectile I have used at near max velocity in a HAM’R & #2023 is behind it on paper.
I’m pretty sure I hit some pigs with the remaining test rounds of #2023 loads but it wasn’t something I tracked. the lower muzzle velocities I was getting made it something around a 125yd and closer round to maintain expansion velocity. If you’re hunting big pigs close #2023 may be a decent choice but I’d expect it to act a lot like fmj past 100yds.
My unsolicited $0.02 Good to know...I'll maybe look elsewhere for a 150gr round. Not really stuck on that but it's kinda a nostalgia thing as the first deer I ever took was with my grandpas 30-30 using 150gr bullets. FWI most of my shots are under 100yds. Thanks! From another website I give this quote which shows the 2023 maybe performs better that you thought. "I just finished talking with a tech from Speer Bullets about their Hotcor #1855 110 grain Spire SP, and their #2023 150 grain Spitzer SP. The reason for my call was to find out the minimum velocity these bullets will mushroom at. What he told me has me even more interested in these bullets than before. He looked up different reduced loads they have and said both of these bullets will expand down to 1530 fps."
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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11/24/21 11:52 PM
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OK, rookie question. What chamber brush do you use for the 300 Ham'r, a 556 or a 762?
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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11/25/21 04:01 AM
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Got my WC 300 HAM’R today. I mean my daughters 300 HAM’R!!!
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: TxPigKiller]
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11/25/21 05:44 AM
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Fwiw the Speer #2023 at max load was showing pressure signs at the primer at max load. When I backed down to where I wasn’t getting flattened primers I was 100fps slower than the #2022 150gr.
It’s been close to a year but I recall the #2023 minimum expansion velocity was 1800 or 1900fps and the #2022 was a couple hundred FPS lower.
#2022 was coming apart in the near side shoulder at 2300 +- fps, making large entry w pounds in the chest wall and not getting great penetration & exiting the far side chest wall even at 100yds & in. I had a few sheared bases exit but it was rare outside of neck or belly hit. Frankly it was the most underwhelming projectile I have used at near max velocity in a HAM’R & #2023 is behind it on paper.
I’m pretty sure I hit some pigs with the remaining test rounds of #2023 loads but it wasn’t something I tracked. the lower muzzle velocities I was getting made it something around a 125yd and closer round to maintain expansion velocity. If you’re hunting big pigs close #2023 may be a decent choice but I’d expect it to act a lot like fmj past 100yds.
My unsolicited $0.02 Good to know...I'll maybe look elsewhere for a 150gr round. Not really stuck on that but it's kinda a nostalgia thing as the first deer I ever took was with my grandpas 30-30 using 150gr bullets. FWI most of my shots are under 100yds. Thanks! From another website I give this quote which shows the 2023 maybe performs better that you thought. "I just finished talking with a tech from Speer Bullets about their Hotcor #1855 110 grain Spire SP, and their #2023 150 grain Spitzer SP. The reason for my call was to find out the minimum velocity these bullets will mushroom at. What he told me has me even more interested in these bullets than before. He looked up different reduced loads they have and said both of these bullets will expand down to 1530 fps." Read the 2nd page of that thread you took the quote from and follow the link he left to his disappointing follow up after his attempt at testing them. Spoiler alert, #2023 didn't work as he hoped and ice picked through his test medium showing little to no sign of expansion. "expansion" is a subjective term in this industry. Some like to sell it that expansion is achieved if the outer diameter of a recovered projectile exceeds 0.1" over starting diameter. The problem is when eager shooters read that term and see perfectly mushroomed bullets when it's not realistically an achievable result.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/25/21 06:27 AM
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Shooters World just posted on FB that SBR SOCOM and BLACKOUT will be available soon. Both work well in the 300 HAM'R. SOCOM for 95-110gr and BLACKOUT for 125-135gr, I haven't used BLACKOUT with 150gr, but it will probably work as well or better than A1680. The burn rate for SOCOM is between H110/W296 and A1680 and BLACKOUT seems to be between A1680 and CFEBLK. Both powders seem to shoot the best at full charge. FYI: We load the following "factory" loads with SOCOM 95gr Lehigh CC 110gr Lehigh CC 110gr Hornady SP 110gr Speer SP 125gr Hornady FMJ The 95gr CC loaded to 2.240" OAL and 2800fps over SOCOM shoots sub 1" in all of my guns and kills like LIGHTNING Here's a nice 10pt my wife Joyce shot with the 95gr CC from 175yds, the buck only ran 15yds with a shoulder shot. That is a fabulous animal. Congratulations to you both. I’ve been meaning to ask, do you load those offerings with SOCOM because of case volume issues with the powder charges in cfeblk? I’m getting about a 2% average failure rate on rounds loaded with 110cc & near max listed cfeblk charges. They are pretty compressed loads and if I don’t spend a few seconds tapping each case to settle the powder before I seat I get bulges right below the shoulder that keep the completed rounds from passing the cartridge gauge. Even taking extra care I get 1-2 out of every hundred that give me fits. I’m loading several different lots of cases and it seems pretty consistent occurrence across all of them. Cases range from New bags or 10x loaded brass or Nickel Fwiw, I’m content with a 2% reject rate when the other 98% is shooting .75moa and 2650ish fps. I can see where it is not feasible to load commercial offerings with cfeblk if it is that labor intensive. I’m looking forward to the 125gr CC release. I don’t know how I could be more content with it than these 110gr cc or Vmax but I’m definitely trying them to see for myself. I have been apprehensive about the CC for years but have become a believer for using them on hog.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: Dzhitshard]
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11/25/21 11:40 AM
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Can definitely be a case volume issue.
I have tested multiple different lots of CFE BLK and reserve the faster burning lots just for the 110gr loads so that I can get more speed out of them. The slower powders work fine for 125gr and above as all you have to do is add a little more powder if necessary to make up for lot differences. But with the lighter bullets, there isn't any room to add more powder.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/25/21 01:54 PM
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Yes we use SOCOM for light bullet loads due to case volume.
I just received V2 of the Lehigh 125gr CC last night for testing, stay tuned....
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/25/21 07:29 PM
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Yes we use SOCOM for light bullet loads due to case volume.
I just received V2 of the Lehigh 125gr CC last night for testing, stay tuned.... Thank you for the powder clarification. I appreciate it I'm excited to hear about the 125gr. I feel it's likely to be a better mass window and the effects should be even more substantial than the 110gr I'm totally content with. It helps that I'm a couple months away at going full time hog hunter & giddy like a school kid come Christmas time. Happy Thanksgiving.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: Dzhitshard]
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11/25/21 07:54 PM
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Fwiw the Speer #2023 at max load was showing pressure signs at the primer at max load. When I backed down to where I wasn’t getting flattened primers I was 100fps slower than the #2022 150gr.
It’s been close to a year but I recall the #2023 minimum expansion velocity was 1800 or 1900fps and the #2022 was a couple hundred FPS lower.
#2022 was coming apart in the near side shoulder at 2300 +- fps, making large entry w pounds in the chest wall and not getting great penetration & exiting the far side chest wall even at 100yds & in. I had a few sheared bases exit but it was rare outside of neck or belly hit. Frankly it was the most underwhelming projectile I have used at near max velocity in a HAM’R & #2023 is behind it on paper.
I’m pretty sure I hit some pigs with the remaining test rounds of #2023 loads but it wasn’t something I tracked. the lower muzzle velocities I was getting made it something around a 125yd and closer round to maintain expansion velocity. If you’re hunting big pigs close #2023 may be a decent choice but I’d expect it to act a lot like fmj past 100yds.
My unsolicited $0.02 Good to know...I'll maybe look elsewhere for a 150gr round. Not really stuck on that but it's kinda a nostalgia thing as the first deer I ever took was with my grandpas 30-30 using 150gr bullets. FWI most of my shots are under 100yds. Thanks! From another website I give this quote which shows the 2023 maybe performs better that you thought. "I just finished talking with a tech from Speer Bullets about their Hotcor #1855 110 grain Spire SP, and their #2023 150 grain Spitzer SP. The reason for my call was to find out the minimum velocity these bullets will mushroom at. What he told me has me even more interested in these bullets than before. He looked up different reduced loads they have and said both of these bullets will expand down to 1530 fps." Read the 2nd page of that thread you took the quote from and follow the link he left to his disappointing follow up after his attempt at testing them. Spoiler alert, #2023 didn't work as he hoped and ice picked through his test medium showing little to no sign of expansion. "expansion" is a subjective term in this industry. Some like to sell it that expansion is achieved if the outer diameter of a recovered projectile exceeds 0.1" over starting diameter. The problem is when eager shooters read that term and see perfectly mushroomed bullets when it's not realistically an achievable result. Like you say expansion is overrated. When I was using my 5.56 one time I forgot to switch mags after practicing with green tips and shot a pig. It was just as dead as the ones I took with the 64gr Gold Dots. I'm pretty sure the #2022 and #2023 while maybe not optimum will do just fine for my style of shooting. I mostly take standing still shots and try not to do running shots.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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11/25/21 11:56 PM
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For the record, I never said or meant to imply that expansion was over rated.
I 100% believe the opposite. At least within the context of my needs which is to recover and remove every carcass reasonably possible so the landowners don't have to check on every buzzard swarm on their livestock operations.
I said expansion often OVER STATED by some manufacturers to help them sell products to expanded audiences outside of the bullet's orignially engineered use. The 300blk and magic 6.5 calibers being the big target audiences for the upselling.
Over time I have put a lot of holes in animals & had to rely on buzzard tracking them after hitting them with various 5.56, 300blk, and steel jacketed x39. They are all relatively inefficient at expansion/transferring kinetic energy & killing animals outright. I moved to using HAM'R now because with several available projectiles it's a significant improvement over those other caliber options in this regard.
I'm not really sure why anyone would jump into this caliber, these times being what they are, if they were simply going to duplicate the lesser capabilities of one of those other 3 existing offerings.
I'm not trying to be condescending or argumentative. I typed it out because it may be something someone reading hadn't considered.
either way, Happy thanksgiving and the best of luck with the HAM'R pursuits.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: Dzhitshard]
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11/26/21 12:25 AM
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For the record, I never said or meant to imply that expansion was over rated.
I 100% believe the opposite. At least within the context of my needs which is to recover and remove every carcass reasonably possible so the landowners don't have to check on every buzzard swarm on their livestock operations.
I said expansion often OVER STATED by some manufacturers to help them sell products to expanded audiences outside of the bullet's orignially engineered use. The 300blk and magic 6.5 calibers being the big target audiences for the upselling.
Over time I have put a lot of holes in animals & had to rely on buzzard tracking them after hitting them with various 5.56, 300blk, and steel jacketed x39. They are all relatively inefficient at expansion/transferring kinetic energy & killing animals outright. I moved to using HAM'R now because with several available projectiles it's a significant improvement over those other caliber options in this regard.
I'm not really sure why anyone would jump into this caliber, these times being what they are, if they were simply going to duplicate the lesser capabilities of one of those other 3 existing offerings.
I'm not trying to be condescending or argumentative. I typed it out because it may be something someone reading hadn't considered.
either way, Happy thanksgiving and the best of luck with the HAM'R pursuits.
Happy Turkey Day to you and all the Ham'r fans. I know what you mean by jumping into a new caliber. I guess I have more time and money than brains but I like tinkering and with todays panic environment it's hard to lose money with careful purchases. What attracted me the most to the Ham'r is I handload and it's WAY cheaper per round than a 30-30 or .308 or pretty much most of the calibers with similar terminal ballistic results. Somewhat off topic but for you 5.56/.223 fans I can highly recommend the Speer Gold Dots although the Nosler partition would be a good choice too.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: djones]
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11/26/21 12:54 AM
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DJones and myself have killed hundreds thousands of hogs with the 125 TNT. fixed it for ya oh wow! santie clause and his 5 shiny swine deers?? how fast can they pull that truck Bub?? lol, you guys krack me up!!
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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11/26/21 12:55 AM
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Hello! I managed to read all 77 pages and what a great Learning experience it was. My main question was concerning ING the 110gr CC bullet for deer. Which of course didn't get answered for me until the last three pages. Lol Looking forward to sharing many adventures with this rifle I built here in Indiana. [img] https://ibb.co/jgrpnn0[/img] Link is to my 300hamr build. I have no idea how to post it directly without the link. Sorry Welcome aboard Cweb Actually I've been shooting several deer with the 110gr CC over the past month, probably 15 so far and I've had real good success at putting them on the ground quickly. I shot this 7.5yr old cull buck this am and he only ran 15yds with a quartering shoulder shot with full penetration of the base. Posting photos from your computer is super easy on this forum, just click the icon at the top with the blue arrow called "upload inline image" and follow instructions. Nice one Bill!
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/26/21 01:16 AM
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Just read the entire thread. I immediately ordered brass, dies, & case gauges. Trying to decide what rifle and bullet i want to go with. This is for my 8yr old girl to deer hunt with. Thinking about the 95 or 110 Lehigh's as they are in stock. Anyone use the Hornady 110 SP for deer? First, welcome to the forum. You are not the only non-Texan hanging around here. During my time here I've noticed that 99.9% of the people here are rather civil and it is enjoyable to converse with the group. Second, after you try the 300 HAM'R your daughter may have to fight you for it. Fortunately there is a very wide choice of bullets for the cartridge and choosing one is more about which one you can find in stock. But I do have to warn you, getting one HAM'R just leads to getting a second, or even a third, in the near future. Yep, I love my Ham'r, its my SHTF weapon for sure,, handy and powerful in the small frame billet receivers, well balanced with the 18" Tactical Hunter barrel, I droped a 3 shot 5/8" inch group at 115 yards a couple of weeks ago,, it was the 125 Hornady FMJ,, I've got the 1 in 15" twist barrel.. its just happy all the time... my son usually isn't to impressed with my stuff, but he picked that up and just could NOT shut up!!! its a winner, I have a lovely 308 Tactical Hunter which I love, but its BIG and HEAVY, its always been a lazy, iffy ejector, I've got an email in for the crew, but this 300 Ham'r throws them in a pile at 4:00 oclock about 8' away. and I will get that 308 lined out, I shot a 5/8" group at 140 yards this summer, with Federal 150 gr hunting bullets??
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Todd A Walker]
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11/26/21 01:19 AM
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Yep, that will be good eating!!
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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Yep, that will be good eating!! More success this am. Nice 9pt, 50yd shot, DRT, Lehigh 110gr CC Wow nice one Mr. Wilson! you're on a roll Bill, congrats..
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/26/21 01:25 AM
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Finally got the Ruger bolt .300 Ham’r finished! Nice!
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: Wilson Combat]
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Shooters World just posted on FB that SBR SOCOM and BLACKOUT will be available soon. Both work well in the 300 HAM'R. SOCOM for 95-110gr and BLACKOUT for 125-135gr, I haven't used BLACKOUT with 150gr, but it will probably work as well or better than A1680. The burn rate for SOCOM is between H110/W296 and A1680 and BLACKOUT seems to be between A1680 and CFEBLK. Both powders seem to shoot the best at full charge. FYI: We load the following "factory" loads with SOCOM 95gr Lehigh CC 110gr Lehigh CC 110gr Hornady SP 110gr Speer SP 125gr Hornady FMJ The 95gr CC loaded to 2.240" OAL and 2800fps over SOCOM shoots sub 1" in all of my guns and kills like LIGHTNING Here's a nice 10pt my wife Joyce shot with the 95gr CC from 175yds, the buck only ran 15yds with a shoulder shot. Nice, the lovely Mrs. Wilson, we love seeing pictures of your family Bill, especially the Boss and Grandkids!
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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11/27/21 05:41 AM
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Let’s see if u2ube let’s this one stay. A little In Memory of DJ HAM’R Time Tribute
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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I don't have big open ag fields like Djones and those fellas so I have to try to call them in to where I can see them and HAM'R them until my invite shows up.
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/29/21 08:19 PM
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OK, rookie question. What chamber brush do you use for the 300 Ham'r, a 556 or a 762? 7.62. 0.300 inch diameter=7.62 millimeters
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Re: Ruger American Ranch Bolt Action 300 HAM'R
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11/29/21 08:36 PM
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OK, rookie question. What chamber brush do you use for the 300 Ham'r, a 556 or a 762? 7.62. 0.300 inch diameter=7.62 millimeters I think the question here is chamber, not bore. I use a nylon .40 bore brush.
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