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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/06/21 10:50 PM
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All the traps are gimmicks, when you think about it. People buy them and buy lots of them. Then they try using them a few times and pretty soon that bus has left the depot for most folks. The only difference is that in 10 years all that will be left of the PigBrig is a few stakes in the ground. I have traps on properties I hunt that have sizable trees growing out of them.
The problem of with the trap solution is that the buyers think that if they trap and kill the hogs, that the hogs will be gone, but then figure out that the hogs keep coming and as it turns out, trapping and killing is a goodly amount of work. It helps if you enjoy the work, have time for it, and stay after it. Otherwise, it will just be another failure. The question then is just how much money it has cost you. I don’t take time to mess with hogs so maybe I dont know, but I agree with the above.
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/06/21 11:55 PM
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All the traps are gimmicks, when you think about it. People buy them and buy lots of them. Then they try using them a few times and pretty soon that bus has left the depot for most folks. The only difference is that in 10 years all that will be left of the PigBrig is a few stakes in the ground. I have traps on properties I hunt that have sizable trees growing out of them.
The problem of with the trap solution is that the buyers think that if they trap and kill the hogs, that the hogs will be gone, but then figure out that the hogs keep coming and as it turns out, trapping and killing is a goodly amount of work. It helps if you enjoy the work, have time for it, and stay after it. Otherwise, it will just be another failure. The question then is just how much money it has cost you. Its simply a fallacy to think that 'trapping' alone will ever be a solution. It can certainly be an efficient part of a dedicated system of hog control however. When used in conjunction with snares, shooting and general pressure/harassment you can reduce the number of pigs on a place. But as you say....it requires dedication. Learning to 'trap' successfully is the stumbling block for most folks. There is more to it than just putting one up anywhere, pouring some corn in it and expecting to find a herd of pigs trapped the next day. It's no different than snaring or shooting, you have to learn the best way to do it. On some properties trapping wouldn't make good sense and the return on your efforts would be dismal. Some properties are best addressed by open field shooting (by several accomplished shooters). Other places ONLY trapping, snaring or running with dogs is going to work. All of these things require an investment in time and money to have any real effect. It is helpful also if neighboring properties also engage in some type of management. We will never be rid of hogs, they are here to stay. Any thoughts of 'eradication' is pure folly, but we can reduce their numbers and trapping can help with those efforts.
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/07/21 03:54 AM
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Its simply a fallacy to think that 'trapping' alone will ever be a solution. It can certainly be an efficient part of a dedicated system of hog control however.
Of course it is a fallacy to think trapping will ever be a solution, but that doesn't stop lots of people from buying lots of traps and then giving up. That is part of the gimmick! But as you say....it requires dedication. Learning to 'trap' successfully is the stumbling block for most folks.
There is more to it than just putting one up anywhere, pouring some corn in it and expecting to find a herd of pigs trapped the next day. It's no different than snaring or shooting, you have to learn the best way to do it.
Right, so a lot of people buy traps because they are under the impression you just need to put one out, bait it, and you will catch hogs...particularly if you use some of that miracle bait attractant that "really brings them in." These are often the people that don't have time to learn snaring or go out actively hunting and shooting hogs. They are just expecting to let the trap do all the work...which is part of the gimmick because that isn't how trapping works. So to say that the PigBrig is a gimmick isn't really a fair assessment unless also noting that all traps are gimmicks as well. The PigBrig is just a variant on the same basic concept of standard traps. It is an enclosure that let's hogs in, but doesn't let them out.
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/07/21 12:40 PM
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I have a few of these traps that I made, it is a scaled down version of what flintknapper has, and like he said, you need a WIDE door. I have watched plenty of pigs walk around small door traps and eat the corn on the outside and they would not go in. That is why I built these. No pig has ever climbed out with the double top rail, deer jump out all of the time. I still catch pigs in the smaller door traps, but not near as often. At about 100 hogs a year, about 75% are trapped.
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/07/21 01:49 PM
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Granted we do not have a creek/river bottom etc. but we stopped the vast majority of hog sightings by simply penning the corn feeders. We use to shoot a hog every trip, sometimes 2-3 hunts in a row from the same stand. Since penning our feeders I can count the number of times we have seen hogs on one hand... and that has been at least 3 years ago.
Im sure it doesnt work that well everywhere, but if you take away the 2x a day free meal they dont hang around as much.
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/07/21 04:08 PM
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Its simply a fallacy to think that 'trapping' alone will ever be a solution. It can certainly be an efficient part of a dedicated system of hog control however.
Of course it is a fallacy to think trapping will ever be a solution, but that doesn't stop lots of people from buying lots of traps and then giving up. That is part of the gimmick! But as you say....it requires dedication. Learning to 'trap' successfully is the stumbling block for most folks.
There is more to it than just putting one up anywhere, pouring some corn in it and expecting to find a herd of pigs trapped the next day. It's no different than snaring or shooting, you have to learn the best way to do it.
Right, so a lot of people buy traps because they are under the impression you just need to put one out, bait it, and you will catch hogs...particularly if you use some of that miracle bait attractant that "really brings them in." These are often the people that don't have time to learn snaring or go out actively hunting and shooting hogs. They are just expecting to let the trap do all the work...which is part of the gimmick because that isn't how trapping works. So to say that the PigBrig is a gimmick isn't really a fair assessment unless also noting that all traps are gimmicks as well. The PigBrig is just a variant on the same basic concept of standard traps. It is an enclosure that let's hogs in, but doesn't let them out. I suppose my objection is to the label or notion of a 'gimmick' since traps (well designed and properly used) are proven to capture hogs and do so well. IMO applying the shortcomings of the 'user' to the 'product' is a bit unfair. No doubt 'some' trap designs and wild marketing claims by manufacturers can be misleading...but not ALL should be painted with a broad brush. Does False advertising (to different degrees) exist, you bet. Unrealistic expectations from buyers.....sure. But that doesn't mean the product itself is a gimmick. The trouble is: Folks are not willing (or able) to educate themselves, put in the time and effort....but expect the 'product' to magically solve their pig problems. My point being.. a poorly chosen product (for the problem at hand) shouldn't earn the product a bad label because the purchaser is incapable of using it to good effect. There has to be some responsibility and accountability on the part of the buying public. Now....I readily concede there are some bonafide gimmicks out there (baits and attractants for sure) and I'm sure a certain number of apparatus, but not ALL traps.
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/07/21 04:31 PM
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If you put Turkey scent attractant in there, could you catch Turkeys with that thing?
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/07/21 08:26 PM
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If you put Turkey scent attractant in there, could you catch Turkeys with that thing? Human 'turkeys' for sure. Don't know about the others. But I can tell you that turkeys at a corn feeder are every bit as bad as hogs.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/08/21 12:59 AM
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I suppose my objection is to the label or notion of a 'gimmick' since traps (well designed and properly used) are proven to capture hogs and do so well.
IMO applying the shortcomings of the 'user' to the 'product' is a bit unfair.
No doubt 'some' trap designs and wild marketing claims by manufacturers can be misleading...but not ALL should be painted with a broad brush.
Does False advertising (to different degrees) exist, you bet. Unrealistic expectations from buyers.....sure. But that doesn't mean the product itself is a gimmick.
The trouble is: Folks are not willing (or able) to educate themselves, put in the time and effort....but expect the 'product' to magically solve their pig problems.
My point being.. a poorly chosen product (for the problem at hand) shouldn't earn the product a bad label because the purchaser is incapable of using it to good effect. There has to be some responsibility and accountability on the part of the buying public.
Now....I readily concede there are some bonafide gimmicks out there (baits and attractants for sure) and I'm sure a certain number of apparatus, but not ALL traps.
Look, the claim was made that the PigBrig was a gimmick. It is a gimmick as much as are the standard traps like yours, or as little. Obviously, the PigBrig works. Your traps work. However, that doesn't mean that there isn't a gimmick aspect to how they are sold. A product need not be a functional failure to be a gimmick.
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/08/21 01:34 AM
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I suppose my objection is to the label or notion of a 'gimmick' since traps (well designed and properly used) are proven to capture hogs and do so well.
IMO applying the shortcomings of the 'user' to the 'product' is a bit unfair.
No doubt 'some' trap designs and wild marketing claims by manufacturers can be misleading...but not ALL should be painted with a broad brush.
Does False advertising (to different degrees) exist, you bet. Unrealistic expectations from buyers.....sure. But that doesn't mean the product itself is a gimmick.
The trouble is: Folks are not willing (or able) to educate themselves, put in the time and effort....but expect the 'product' to magically solve their pig problems.
My point being.. a poorly chosen product (for the problem at hand) shouldn't earn the product a bad label because the purchaser is incapable of using it to good effect. There has to be some responsibility and accountability on the part of the buying public.
Now....I readily concede there are some bonafide gimmicks out there (baits and attractants for sure) and I'm sure a certain number of apparatus, but not ALL traps.
Look, the claim was made that the PigBrig was a gimmick. It is a gimmick as much as are the standard traps like yours, or as little. Obviously, the PigBrig works. Your traps work. However, that doesn't mean that there isn't a gimmick aspect to how they are sold. A product need not be a functional failure to be a gimmick. Using that logic then pretty much everything from toothpaste, to laundry detergent to the vehicle you drive is a 'gimmick'. Brian, I think you missed your calling. Should have be a lawyer my friend.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/08/21 01:43 AM
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I have a few of these traps that I made, it is a scaled down version of what flintknapper has, and like he said, you need a WIDE door. I have watched plenty of pigs walk around small door traps and eat the corn on the outside and they would not go in. That is why I built these. No pig has ever climbed out with the double top rail, deer jump out all of the time. I still catch pigs in the smaller door traps, but not near as often. At about 100 hogs a year, about 75% are trapped. Show me the trigger! (Please.)
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/11/21 01:09 AM
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I have a few of these traps that I made, it is a scaled down version of what flintknapper has, and like he said, you need a WIDE door. I have watched plenty of pigs walk around small door traps and eat the corn on the outside and they would not go in. That is why I built these. No pig has ever climbed out with the double top rail, deer jump out all of the time. I still catch pigs in the smaller door traps, but not near as often. At about 100 hogs a year, about 75% are trapped. Show me the trigger! (Please.) I will get a picture the next time that I am out. I drew a sketch for a guy on here, it is something like this. Please excuse the lack of sketching skills. I added a wire rope thimble on the end of the cable, then hooked to peg. It goes 8ft across (side to side). It pushes off easy.
"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
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Re: new hog trap: PigBrig
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06/12/21 11:30 PM
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...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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