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Re: Caliber for my son’s first deer hunt [Re: Sewer rat] #8075794 12/04/20 01:18 PM
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Re: Caliber for my son’s first deer hunt [Re: Sewer rat] #8075806 12/04/20 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sewer rat
It is a really long story but I dropped the ball with my son on introducing him to the sport. He is 16 and has never hunted anything but dove, geese, and shooting rabbits around our house. I work a ton, traveling a lot, and didn’t have a place to take him. That ends now. I just bought 330 acres an hour from our house and am intending on making up for lost time.

I was on the property earlier this week and there are plenty hogs and deer. We are gearing up for a hunt. I am planning on sighting in whatever rifles we decide on tomorrow (I have a 300 yard range at my house) and then going this weekend.

It is kind of messed up I built this range five years ago and I don’t think it has had fifty rounds fired into it yet. My son has shot my AR a couple of times but other than that has never shot any other center fire rifles.

At our disposal are 204, 223,22-250, 243, 270, 270 WSM, 308, 300 w mag.

Any recommendations on which one I should start him out with? He is a big strong kid. Plays high school football. Other than possibly the 300 I don’t think any of them will bother him. The 204, 22-250, 270WSM are all new in box rifles with no scopes mounted but I can pick one up tomorrow if need be.




Honestly what I'd do no matter that he is a big kid is I'd start him out at the range with one of the smaller calibers and make sure he has the fundamentals down well and can accurately group his shots whether that takes 5 shots or 5 boxes of shells. Then, gradually move him up to larger calibers and see how he does with squeezing off his shots and making sure he is not jerking the trigger or flinching. It truly doesn't matter how big and strong a person is as I've seen 40 year old men that weight 250 or more and have been hunting their entire lives not shoot worth a damn because of very poor shooting habits.

Then, for me it is either the 308 or 300WM.
I take the 308 most of the time and I know my gun and my loads and their is not a deer in this state that is going to walk away from me if I have solid rest and he is within 350 yards!
I've killed a ton of deer with 222, 223, 22-250, and the 243 as well but to me the 308 is my favorite.

Good luck to you both and congrats on your new place!


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Re: Caliber for my son’s first deer hunt [Re: TLew] #8075851 12/04/20 02:00 PM
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Surprised no one has asked yet -- you said he's been wingshooting. What shotgun did you have him on? If it was a 12 gauge, especially inertia driven, then the recoil won't bother him on almost any of those except the 300WM. What will get him will be the noise. Make sure you give him some ear plugs and then put some muffs on over those.


He started dove hunting probably five years ago and was using an 1100 20 ga. On the goose hunting trips he was using a 12 ga super black eagle with 3” shells. He seemed fine with it but was bundled up like an Eskimo.

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Surprised no one has asked yet -- you said he's been wingshooting. What shotgun did you have him on? If it was a 12 gauge, especially inertia driven, then the recoil won't bother him on almost any of those except the 300WM. What will get him will be the noise. Make sure you give him some ear plugs and then put some muffs on over those.


He started dove hunting probably five years ago and was using an 1100 20 ga. On the goose hunting trips he was using a 12 ga super black eagle with 3” shells. He seemed fine with it but was bundled up like an Eskimo.


Recoil shouldn't be an issue then. In fact, give him a shotgun and have him hit a clay before he sits down behind a rifle. I stand by my hearing protection comment though -- nothing will make someone flinch faster than a loud noise

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Fact is the vast majority of people, including full grown adults, shoot lighter recoiling rifles more accurately than the heavier recoiling cartridges. It was proven to me time and time again over a 15 year period of guiding hunters, and it's true for myself as well. I'd grab that 243 and good bullets, which will kill any deer in N America very effectively, and not look back. He can always graduate to bigger cartridges as he gets older. I've watched my landowner buddy's son whack hundreds of inches of big mule deer with his 243 and 95g ballistic tips.

Congrats to you and your son. You'll have many years of enjoyment ahead of you. Comments from scalebuster are downright assinine.

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Re: Caliber for my son’s first deer hunt [Re: Sewer rat] #8075927 12/04/20 02:38 PM
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You only mentioned yourself when referring to sighting in the new rifle. A 16-year-old is plenty old enough to learn everything that goes into buying a new rifle and scope and getting it setup for his use. Don't overlook this as an opportunity for the two of you to work together and create some valuable memories along the way. I would do the very same with everything else that's needed to get your property hunting ready. Whatever you do, don't limit this to just setting up a feeder and box stand. There's plenty more of teaching opportunities in shooting, hunting, and woodsmanship to be learned along the way. Heck, the learning process really never stops unless you decide otherwise.

I agree with the others that a .270 would be an excellent choice. There's not a big game animal in North America that you cannot harvest with it.

I'm sure there are many who envy the opportunity you have in front of you. Enjoy every minute of it.

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Re: Caliber for my son’s first deer hunt [Re: scalebuster] #8075930 12/04/20 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by scalebuster
I feel sorry for this kid. Why would a 16 year old man need someone to tell him what rifle he needs to shoot? When I was his age I was guiding deer hunters in Terrell county. Drinking whiskey every night and guiding a lot of out of state hunters on trips to Boys Town. I had a full time job in the summer cutting metal in a machine shop and played football on a state championship team in ‘91. I don’t know what it takes to grow up these days but my sons need a lot more supervision than I did. Hopefully when they’re 16 I won’t have to choose a caliber for them.


Yes cause every kid nowadays has access to West Texas outfitters who are super eager on letting teenagers guide their hunters or being a quasi-pimp.

He is a dad asking for advise on what is the best way to get his son going on deer hunting, pretty dang commendable if you ask me.






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Re: Caliber for my son’s first deer hunt [Re: TLew] #8075956 12/04/20 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TLew
Surprised no one has asked yet -- you said he's been wingshooting. What shotgun did you have him on? If it was a 12 gauge, especially inertia driven, then the recoil won't bother him on almost any of those except the 300WM. What will get him will be the noise. Make sure you give him some ear plugs and then put some muffs on over those.


That was my first thought, he's likely been banging away with a 12ga, almost none of those should give him a problem. I would test them all for fit, let him fire a few from the .223 to get a feel for scope usage and such, and then pick one of the group that fits him well. Have him shoot it a couple of times and go to work.


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Yes cause every kid nowadays has access to West Texas outfitters who are super eager on letting teenagers guide their hunters or being a quasi-pimp.


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Re: Caliber for my son’s first deer hunt [Re: Jgraider] #8075991 12/04/20 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgraider
Fact is the vast majority of people, including full grown adults, shoot lighter recoiling rifles more accurately than the heavier recoiling cartridges. It was proven to me time and time again over a 15 year period of guiding hunters, and it's true for myself as well. I'd grab that 243 and good bullets, which will kill any deer in N America very effectively, and not look back. He can always graduate to bigger cartridges as he gets older. I've watched my landowner buddy's son whack hundreds of inches of big mule deer with his 243 and 95g ballistic tips.

Congrats to you and your son. You'll have many years of enjoyment ahead of you. Comments from scalebuster are downright assinine


I do not represent to know what JG knows or doesn't know, but there is experienced gold in his words. Too many tend to believe bigger is always better, when it is not. A gun comfortable to shoot should be both a starting AND ending point.

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243 this year and 270 next. I'm just glad you are taking him! up


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Congrats on getting the place and hopefully the time you both can enjoy it together. Any of those you listed will work for him though I would go with the 243, 308 or 270 for starters. You have a range at the house, use it and see what he likes. As others have said see what fits and use good hearing protection.

At 16 and has hunted with a SBE with 3 inch shells recoil should not be a real factor if he handled it well with that shotgun and load.

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My 11 year old son has been shooting a 7mm-08 now for a couple years. This year he wanted to shoot my .270 when we were sighting in rifles and did fine with it. A couple weeks ago I'm sitting in the stand with him with the .270 and it's the moment of truth. We get back to the camp and my wife ask him about the shot. He says "Now that i think about it I don't think i even heard or felt the shot". He is not a big kid either but has been shooting for a while. Your son should be fine with any of those but maybe leave the .300 in the safe.

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Originally Posted by dennyo
maybe leave the .300 in the safe.


the .300 win mag in a sporter weight rifle is considered my most gun experts to be the upper threshold of what the average shooter can comfortably handle and still shoot accurately. Unless you are shooting actual big game ( Elk, Moose, Bear ) its really a for purpose rifle not a general hunting round


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I got to tell you, it doesn’t sound to me like you have dropped the ball in any kind of way. A man provides and you are doing an excellent job and setting a great example for him to follow. You are doing a great job!

A healthy, strong 16 year old athlete can probably manage a .270 or something like that just fine and maybe a lot more. Already shooting a 12 gauge, right?

Congratulations on the new property cheers That is a legacy.

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My Tikka T3 stainless light 270 kicked more than my Kimber wood 84 in 300 win mag. Neither had muzzle breaks and there is no doubt about this.

Sold the Tikka and secured a heavier 270 with a brake on it. Yes, it is a loud tack driver, so far at the range. I will not knowingly shoot it without ear protection and it will be tested on hair soon.

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My son started hunting at 16 with a 270. I bought him Hornady lite. The recoil is minimal.

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Congrats on the land and getting to go hunting with your boy.

If the 308 is on an AR platform, that would be the easiest choice to me. BUT, I think he would be fine with any of them. Just get him on the range for a few rounds.

Good luck and post pics when he gets one!

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
My son started hunting at 16 with a 270. I bought him Hornady lite. The recoil is minimal.


Good luck finding that ammo right now. Most any ammo for that matter. Hope the OP has some onboard already.

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Originally Posted by Sewer rat
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At our disposal are 204, 223,22-250, 243, 270, 270 WSM, 308, 300 w mag.


Do you have ammo available for all of these? That may be the limiting factor.

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i started with a .308 when i was 12.

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Man y’all make a good point about ammo. Probably pick the rifle based on the cartridges you can find, lol. Find a case of .308 or whatever soft points, then get the rifle!


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Start with the .223 or .22-250 to get him comfortable then hunt with the .270

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Originally Posted by Bryan C. Heimann
Man y’all make a good point about ammo. Probably pick the rifle based on the cartridges you can find, lol. Find a case of .308 or whatever soft points, then get the rifle!


I would definitely consider buying ammo from individuals if that becomes necessary to get the caliber you'll want once it becomes more widely available. In other words, I wouldn't buy a given caliber rifle just because that's the only ammo you can find on store shelves.


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As to the ammo I have 204, 223 FMJ, 243, 308, 300, and about ten rounds of 270. The 270 is sighted in it was my dad's go to rifle for as long as I can remember.

Today didn’t go exactly as planned. I live a little over an hour from the property. It is pretty rough country and even on an ATV you couldn’t get to over half of it. I hauled my dozer over there today to make some paths through the rough area over the coming weeks. The intent was just to drop it off and then come home and do some shooting. Well once I got in an unloaded there was no way to turn the semi around and get out so I had to clear out an area to turn around. It needed to be done eventually just didn’t plan on doing today. I found four feeders out there and three of them are working. I am going to fill them tomorrow and see what’s wrong with the fourth one. It looks nice it is one of these Mighty midget. It has power and and the display works but I could tell it hasn’t worked in a while and pushing test doesn’t spin the plate and the plate isn’t jammed it just doesn’t nothing.

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